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 RONALDINHO 2004-2006 
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Konami stats modified by Charrúan

Name: Ronaldo de Assis Moreira "Ronaldinho"

Nickname: "Dinho"

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Country: :BRA: Brazil
Club: FC Barcelona
Number: 10
Position: *SS, AMF
Side: RF/BS
Age: 24-26 years (21/03/1980)

Height: 181 cm
Weight: 80 kg

Attack: 89
Defence: 36
Balance: 84
Stamina: 78
Top Speed: 83
Acceleration: 88
Response: 78
Agility: 93
Dribble Accuracy: 97
Dribble Speed: 92
Short Pass Accuracy: 88
Short Pass Speed: 84
Long Pass Accuracy: 90
Long Pass Speed: 86
Shot Accuracy: 82
Shot Power: 84
Shot Technique: 88
Free Kick Accuracy: 86
Curling: 95
Header: 76
Jump: 78
Technique: 98
Aggression: 85
Mentality: 74
Goalkeeper Skills: 50
Team Work: 78

Injury Tolerance: B
Condition: 6
Weak Foot Accuracy: 7
Weak Foot Frequency: 6
Consistency: 6
Growth type: Standard

CARDS:
S02 - Passer
S04 - PK Taker
S05 - 1-touch Play
S06 - Outside curve
S17 - Flip Flap Skills
S18 - Turning Skills
S19 - Scissors Skills
S20 - Flicking Skills
P03 - Trickster
P10 - Incisive Run

SPECIAL ABILITIES: Dribbling - Tactical Dribble - Passing - Penalties - 1-Touch Pass - Outside

Attack/Defence Awareness Card: Attack-Minded


Mon Mar 11, 2013 12:19 pm
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What's that kind of argument? Just because he is Ronaldinho, we can't raise his stats. Also DA was fine in old value, he played in Brasilian league (what is far away from top flight football), this should be considered here. Same for passing stats, he played in an amateur league but gets values that make him look like a top player (and he wasn't that good anymore)..


Sat Jul 16, 2016 5:59 pm
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The CONS value should be enough to represent him + "low" STA, TW, RES, MEN... And passing/playmaking skills is something that he didn't lose, same with his dribbling skills..


Sat Jul 16, 2016 6:28 pm
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gurkenjoe93 wrote:
What's that kind of argument? Just because he is Ronaldinho, we can't raise his stats. Also DA was fine in old value, he played in Brasilian league (what is far away from top flight football), this should be considered here. Same for passing stats, he played in an amateur league but gets values that make him look like a top player (and he wasn't that good anymore)..

Amateur league ? , i dont think that, i can think the same from players top from pre 60's (think that di stefano have the same fitness than pupi and cafu is ilogical), amateur league well the south americans leagues f**k off to several teams in Intercontinental and FIFA world Club , Boca against madrid (and yeah the lucky goal of kuffour :lol:) , Corinthians beaten chelsea , Inter beaten Barça of dinho , Boca beaten Milan , Sao Paulo Beaten Liverpool of Gerrard...etc , yeah dude amateurs league , dont give a opinion if you dont see the league , i cannot do a opinion to the league of Ecuador Colombia , Sweden , Portugal etc , because i never seen that leagues .


Sat Jul 16, 2016 6:32 pm
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Yeah, the Brazilian league is so great :lol: Just look at the Selecao, their main players all play in the "world class" Brasilian league. But wait a moment, they don't do that. The only players from the Brasilian league that played in the Selecao in the last years, were mostly average players who wouldn't have made it in Europe or already failed there..
The times when Brasilian league was a top league are long gone, today all of their good players play in Europe or other parts of the world, their own league isn't even close to European top leagues..


Sat Jul 16, 2016 7:00 pm
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gurkenjoe93 wrote:
Yeah, the Brazilian league is so great :lol: Just look at the Selecao, their main players all play in the "world class" Brasilian league. But wait a moment, they don't do that. The only players from the Brasilian league that played in the Selecao in the last years, were mostly average players who wouldn't have made it in Europe or already failed there..
The times when Brasilian league was a top league are long gone, today all of their good players play in Europe or other parts of the world, their own league isn't even close to European top leagues..


I talking about the before league , the ronaldinho era when brazil can do something , the confederations cup is not a gift from the gods brazil era ended in 2013


Sat Jul 16, 2016 7:02 pm
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Also lowered COND to 5, that should also influence his poor fitness too...


Sun Jul 17, 2016 9:03 pm
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We have to work a lot, here...


Thu Jul 28, 2016 2:21 pm
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Yeah like several opinions are not founded.
I will Publish Arguments Soon


Thu Jul 28, 2016 3:07 pm
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Simcav wrote:
We have to work a lot, here...

Agree, some changes were made here without any explanation..
For example FKA is way too high, he surely was never a better free kick taker than Salihovic or near the level of Böhme or Scholl..


Sun Jul 31, 2016 12:48 pm
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Ronaldinho doesn't deserve 99 regarding TEC at any point of his career... Zidane and Maradona were better than him in TEC.

ATT should be higher than Zidane's one in Barça's set (comparing again both them)

He never was so good in FKA as gurkenjoe told, his good shots and great goals always came from his effect/curling, most like Roberto Carlos (who did it from the effect and power) in fact, I see Ronaldinho in his best moment at the same level of Figo in Barcelona's years

MENT in Barça's set should be separate in two different values, 2004-2005 and 2006, when he came to Barcelona he made the team compete again, and the Barcelona came back thanks to Dinho (one of the best things a player ever made in Barcelona), and nobody can't say other thing, before win his golden ball, he was pretty good too in this aspect, and after winning it, he lost it all (something like 79 and 73, he was better than his last Barcelona year in Milan)



After that, I can post this here:

Charruan original set for Barcelona's era:
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Country: Brazil
Club: FC Barcelona
Position: *SS, AMF
Side: RF/LS
Age: 24-26 years (21/03/1980)

Height: 182 cm
Weight: 80 kg

Attack: 86
Defence: 40
Balance: 85
Stamina: 81
Top Speed: 84
Acceleration: 91
Response: 82
Agility: 93
Dribble Accuracy: 97
Dribble Speed: 95
Short Pass Accuracy: 88
Short Pass Speed: 85
Long Pass Accuracy: 92
Long Pass Speed: 89
Shot Accuracy: 83
Shot Power: 85
Shot Technique: 91
Free Kick Accuracy: 86
Curling: 95
Header: 75
Jump: 78
Technique: 98
Aggression: 87
Mentality: 76
Goalkeeper Skills: 50
Team Work: 80

Injury Tolerance: B
Condition: 7
Weak Foot Accuracy: 7
Weak Foot Frequency: 6
Consistency: 7
Growth type: Standard



Simcav's original set for Milan:
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Country: Brazil
Club: AC Milan
Position: *SS, AMF
Side: RF/LS
Age: 28-30 years (21/03/1980)

Height: 182 cm
Weight: 80 kg

Attack: 83
Defence: 38
Balance: 82
Stamina: 77
Top Speed: 81
Acceleration: 84
Response: 81
Agility: 87
Dribble Accuracy: 96
Dribble Speed: 83
Short Pass Accuracy: 90
Short Pass Speed: 87
Long Pass Accuracy: 93
Long Pass Speed: 90
Shot Accuracy: 82
Shot Power: 83
Shot Technique: 87
Free Kick Accuracy: 84
Curling: 93
Header: 78
Jump: 76
Technique: 96
Aggression: 84
Mentality: 77
Goalkeeper Skills: 50
Team Work: 88

Injury Tolerance: B
Condition: 7
Weak Foot Accuracy: 7
Weak Foot Frequency: 6
Consistency: 6
Growth type: Standard


It seems like you raise some values because you wanted it just because he is Ronaldinho... And Ronaldinho is like a God for lot of people, most of them, children who growth in the final 90's and 00's, I know, everything needs updates lot of times, but that doesn't means only take values and put higher numbers just because "we want" (in both sets, there are just one value decrease TW in Milan's set, the other only increase or just look equal if you compare the original work)


Wed Aug 24, 2016 1:14 pm
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I'm going to be honest the three best players in football histoy regardinf the Ability of TEC are Zizou , Diego and Dinho.

Dinho and Figo dont have any similar style of play , his awesome Pace reflect that , Dinho makes a difference in Barça history when he came.

Also you are right he be part of the youthhood and childhood of all , he change the style of that players that have red number in DA only because they do 300 stepovers and one Elastico to make a awfull crossing or some shoot to the Space.
He do more than that him and Ronnie the Phenomenon The Power of Dribbling.

So for me he deserved that , his TEC is hes most notorius ability.

That set of Charruan is only a copy and Paste of Pes 5 , Pes 6 and Pes 2008 with little 1 or 2 numbers in hes abilitys.


Fri Aug 26, 2016 12:00 am
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TheGreatRossonero wrote:
That set of Charruan is only a copy and Paste of Pes 5 , Pes 6 and Pes 2008 with little 1 or 2 numbers in hes abilitys.

So what? Those other sets in first post are also copy paste of Konami sets with overrated +10 changes, that Ronaldinho never deserved. And it may surprise you, but nearly all sets for modern players are based on their Konami sets (not only those by Charruan, also those from El Capo, Simcav, MagicDip, myself and other members), so I don't see the reason why you blame Charruan for doing this in the Ronaldinho set :roll:
TheGreatRossonero wrote:
Dinho and Figo dont have any similar style of play

Did you even read Cristiano's post? He compared Ronaldinho to Figo regarding FKA, not regarding their whole style of play..
Edit: As discussed with other mods, I restored the two previous sets as made by Simcav & Charruan. There are still aspects to be discussed (for example TMW at Milan is too high IMO) but it's much better than those hilarious updates on them..


Fri Aug 26, 2016 7:16 am
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Ok Ok Keep Calm brahh , his TMW in Milan needs to be in 83 and his era in Brazil ( Atletic Mineiro ) needs to be in 86.

In milan never helpe so much his teammates in Brazl he was the leader was like a pirlo. Also his RES in Milan have to go down to 76 when le lost the ball he never recover or try to recover the ball , also he never was no a goalpoacher


Fri Aug 26, 2016 2:31 pm
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I keep my suggest there :lol:

And well, yes, in Milan's years he wasn't that good... 83 looks fine in TMW


My suggests (summary of it):
Barça's set:
ATT: 88-89 (as I told, he was better than Zidane, even when Zizou played in Juventus or first year for Madrid)
MENT: 79 (for years 2004-2005) 73 (for the other years, separated)

About Milan's set I'm agree with TheGreatRossonero ;)
RES: 76
TMW: 83


Fri Aug 26, 2016 4:04 pm
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Agree with Cristiano_Naniano , his ATK must be on 88-89 , but for me he deserved 90.

I have a Set for Atletico Mineiro era so take a look.
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ERA 2011-2014[/b]
Name: Ronaldo de Assis Moreira "Ronaldinho"

Nickname: "Dinho"

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Country: :BRA: Brazil
Clubs: Flamengo | Atletico Mineiro
Position: *AMF, SS
Side: RF/LS
Age: 31-33 years (21/03/1980)

Height: 182 cm
Weight: 81 kg

Attack: 81
Defence: 30
Balance: 80
Stamina: 76
Top Speed: 75
Acceleration: 79
Response: 72
Agility: 82
Dribble Accuracy: 93
Dribble Speed: 81
Short Pass Accuracy: 90
Short Pass Speed: 90
Long Pass Accuracy: 92
Long Pass Speed: 90
Shot Accuracy: 77
Shot Power: 82
Shot Technique: 80
Free Kick Accuracy: 92
Curling: 95
Header: 71
Jump: 70
Technique: 98
Aggression: 80
Mentality: 73
Goalkeeper Skills: 50
Team Work: 80

Injury Tolerance: B
Condition/Fitness: 6
Weak Foot Accuracy: 7
Weak Foot Frequency: 6
Growth type: Standard
Consistency: 6

CARDS
P05: Trickster
P06: Pinpoint Pas
P12: Incisive Run
S02: Passer
S04: PK Taker
S05: 1-touch Play
S06: Outside Curve
S17: Elastico
S18: Cross Over Turn
S19: Quick Scissor Dribble
S20: Scooping

SPECIAL ABILITIES: Dribbling - Tactical Dribbling - Playmaking - Passing - Penalties - 1Touch Play - Outside Curve

Attack/Defence Awareness Card: Attack Minded


Sat Aug 27, 2016 4:17 pm
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