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Set by Cristiano_Naniano


Name: Ricardo Izecson Dos Santos Leite "Kaká"

Nickname: "Ricky"

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Country: :BRA: Brazil
Club: Sao Paulo
Position: *AMF, SS | SMF (Optional)
Side: RF/BS
Age: 19-21 years (22/04/1982)
ERA 2001-2003

Height: 186 cm
Weight: 75 kg

Attack: 80
Defence: 40
Balance: 78
Stamina: 84
Top Speed: 90
Acceleration: 93
Response: 80
Agility: 88
Dribble Accuracy: 89
Dribble Speed: 95
Short Pass Accuracy: 85
Short Pass Speed: 84
Long Pass Accuracy: 80
Long Pass Speed: 78
Shot Accuracy: 80
Shot Power: 82
Shot Technique: 82
Free Kick Accuracy: 72
Curling: 82
Header: 72
Jump: 75
Technique: 90
Aggression: 86
Mentality: 77
Goalkeeper Skills: 50
Team Work: 81

Injury Tolerance: B
Condition: 6
Weak Foot Accuracy: 6
Weak Foot frequency: 5
Consistency: 6
Growth type: Standard

CARDS:
P04 - Darting Run
S14 - Speed Merchant
S16 - Roulette Skills
S20 - Flicking Skills

SPECIAL ABILITIES: Dribbling

Attack/Defence Awareness Card: Attack Minded

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Name: Ricardo Izecson dos Santos Leite ''KAKÁ''

Nicknames: "Smoking bianco / Bambino d'oro / Martini agitato non mescolato / Musica e magia"

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Country: :BRA: Brazil
Club: A.C. Milan
Position: *AMF, SMF, SS
Side: RF/BS
Age: 24-27 years (Brasilia 22/04/1982)
ERA 2006-2009

Height: 186 cm
Weight: 75 kg

Attack: 87
Defence: 47
Balance: 84
Stamina: 85
Top Speed: 88
Acceleration: 95
Response: 80
Agility: 85
Dribble Accuracy: 93
Dribble Speed: 95
Short Pass Accuracy: 88
Short Pass Speed: 87
Long Pass Accuracy: 83
Long Pass Speed: 83
Shot Accuracy: 85
Shot Power: 84
Shot Technique: 84
Free Kick Accuracy: 75
Curling: 82
Header: 75
Jump: 77
Technique: 93
Aggression: 87
Mentality: 79
Goalkeeper Skills: 50
Team Work: 83

Injury Tolerance: B
Condition: 7
Weak Foot Accuracy: 6
Weak Foot Frequency: 5
Consistency: 6
Growth Type: Standard

CARDS:
P04 - Darting Run
P11 - Long Ranger
P18 - Talisman
S02 - Passer
S06 - Outside Curve
S16 - Roulette Skills
S20 - Flicking Skills

SPECIAL ABILITIES: Dribbling - Passing - Middle Shooting - Side - Outside

Attack/Defence Awareness Card: Attack Minded

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Set by El Capo Del Cartel


Name: Ricardo Izecson dos Santos Leite

Nickname: "Ricky"

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Country: :BRA: Brazil
Club: Real Madrid C.F.
Position: *AMF, SMF, SS
Side: RF/BS
Age: 29-31 years (22/04/1982)
ERA 2011-2013

Height: 186 cm
Weight: 83 kg

Attack: 84
Defence: 47
Balance: 82
Stamina: 75
Top Speed: 83
Acceleration: 86
Response: 77
Agility: 80
Dribble Accuracy: 87
Dribble Speed: 85
Short Pass Accuracy: 86
Short Pass Speed: 87
Long Pass Accuracy: 83
Long Pass Speed: 83
Shot Accuracy: 83
Shot Power: 81
Shot Technique: 82
Free Kick Accuracy: 75
Curling: 83
Header: 74
Jump: 79
Technique: 87
Aggression: 83
Mentality: 75
Goalkeeper Skills: 50
Team Work: 81

Injury Tolerance: C
Condition: 4
Weak Foot Accuracy: 6
Weak Foot Frequency: 6
Consistency: 5
Growth type: Standard

CARDS:
P04 - Darting Run
P11 - Long Ranger
P18 - Talisman
S02 - Passer
S06 - Outside Curve
S16 - Roulette Skills
S20 - Flicking Skills

SPECIAL ABILITIES: Dribbling - Tactical Dribbling - Passing - Middle Shooting - Outside

Attack/Defence Awareness Card: Attack Minded

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Tue Jul 09, 2013 8:11 pm
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Updated, the older sets:

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Set by Cristiano_Naniano

ERA 2001-2003

Name: Ricardo Izecson Dos Santos Leite "Kaká"

Nickname: "Ricky"

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Country: :BRA: Brazil
Club: Sao Paulo
Position: *AMF, SS, SMF (Optional)
Side: RF/BS
Age: 19-21 years (22/04/1982)

Height: 186 cm
Weight: 75 kg

Attack: 80
Defence: 40
Balance: 78
Stamina: 84
Top Speed: 90
Acceleration: 93
Response: 80
Agility: 88
Dribble Accuracy: 89
Dribble Speed: 95
Short Pass Accuracy: 85
Short Pass Speed: 84
Long Pass Accuracy: 80
Long Pass Speed: 78
Shot Accuracy: 80
Shot Power: 82
Shot Technique: 82
Free Kick Accuracy: 72
Curling: 82
Header: 72
Jump: 75
Technique: 90
Aggression: 86
Mentality: 77
Goalkeeper Skills: 50
Team Work: 81

Injury Tolerance: B
Condition: 6
Weak Foot Accuracy: 6
Weak Foot frequency: 5
Consistency: 6
Growth type: Standard


CARDS:
P04: Darting Run
S14: Speed Merchant
S16: Roulette Skills
S20: Flicking Skills

SPECIAL ABILITIES: Dribbling

Attack/Defence Awareness Card: Attack Minded

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Name: Ricardo Izecson dos Santos Leite ''KAKÁ''

Nicknames: "Smoking bianco / Bambino d'oro / Martini agitato non mescolato / Musica e magia"

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Country: :BRA: Brazil
Club: A.C. Milan
Position: *AMF, SS
Side: RF/BS
Age: 24-26 years (Brasilia 22/04/1982)

Height: 186 cm
Weight: 75 kg

Attack: 87
Defence: 47
Balance: 84
Stamina: 85
Top Speed: 88
Acceleration: 95
Response: 82
Agility: 85
Dribble Accuracy: 93
Dribble Speed: 95
Short Pass Accuracy: 88
Short Pass Speed: 87
Long Pass Accuracy: 83
Long Pass Speed: 83
Shot Accuracy: 85
Shot Power: 84
Shot Technique: 84
Free Kick Accuracy: 75
Curling: 82
Header: 75
Jump: 77
Technique: 93
Aggression: 87
Mentality: 79
Goalkeeper Skills: 50
Team Work: 83

Injury Tolerance: B
Condition: 7
Weak Foot Accuracy: 6
Weak Foot Frequency: 5
Consistency: 6
Growth Type: Standard

CARDS:
P04: Darting Run
P18: Talisman
S02: Passer
S03: 1-on-1 Finish
S16: Roulette Skills
S20: Flicking Skills

SPECIAL ABILITIES: Dribbling - 1-1 Scoring - Passing - Reaction

Attack/Defence Awareness Card: Attack Minded

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Set by El Capo Del Cartel

ERA 2009-2012

Name: Ricardo Izecson dos Santos Leite

Nickname: "Ricky"

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Country: :BRA: Brazil
Club: Real Madrid C.F.
Position: *AMF, SS, SMF
Side: RF/BS
Age: 29-31 years (22/04/1982)

Height: 186 cm
Weight: 80 kg

Attack: 85
Defence: 38
Balance: 82
Stamina: 81
Top Speed: 84
Acceleration: 88
Response: 79
Agility: 85
Dribble Accuracy: 91
Dribble Speed: 86
Short Pass Accuracy: 85
Short Pass Speed: 82
Long Pass Accuracy: 83
Long Pass Speed: 81
Shot Accuracy: 84
Shot Power: 83
Shot Technique: 82
Free Kick Accuracy: 72
Curling: 82
Header: 73
Jump: 78
Technique: 91
Aggression: 82
Mentality: 72
Goalkeeper Skills: 50
Team Work: 85

Injury Tolerance: C
Condition: 6
Weak Foot Accuracy: 6
Weak Foot Frequency: 5
Consistency: 5
Growth type: Standard


CARDS:
P04 Darting Run
S02 Passer
S03 1-on-1 Finish
S16 Roulette Skills

SPECIAL ABILITIES: Dribbling - Tactical Dribbling - Playmaking - Passing - 1-1 Scoring - Middle Shooting - Outside

Attack/Defence Awareness Card: Attack Minded

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Thu Apr 21, 2016 9:53 am
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Guess what value in attack deserve those guys :mrgreen: Infact i think Kaka could have go with 95, just to highlight how dangerous and excellent he was in 2007..

And I don't know if he was very strong, but he often didn't dived that much, unlike others players who have a better "physique" than him and i want to represent that.


Thu Apr 21, 2016 11:24 am
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:? Kaká's set from 2006-2009 was perfect for me...


Thu Apr 21, 2016 9:01 pm
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I though some of you guys wouldn't even care about the forum anymore, yet you continue to keep coming..

Anyway, how ATT work for you guys? How "deadly" the striker is inside the box? Do you even still believe in that?

If that so, then by default all the midfielders can't get +yellow value just because they are that, just midfielders.

ATT is how dangerous the player is in every situation (Playmaking abilities, Attacking Intelligence, how often create danger in every situation; everything related to Attack) That's why i put 93 in attack for him (even hesistate to put him at 95, by everything that's happening now) Guys like Marco, Gerd, Diego Armand, even Zico? just put them at 97-98-99, i don't mind, you had to see how is a pattern from those guys from Konami in how they rate those "big" names in history, they almost all have the maximun value in ATT, you got to see the reason there, so i don't see all the conmotion again.

The dictator stuff is harsh :oops: , if that's so, to begin i wouldn't even put the old sets in spoiler, I also would begin to delete the pre 30, 30, even 40 players just because we don't enough footage to rate those players and texts are unreliable at some point..


Thu Apr 21, 2016 9:33 pm
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ATT is how dangeours is the player, but not only that, we are not Konami, sadly these people from Konami who made "good" stats, now works for EA and FIFA.

Do you think a group of japanese people without enough information can do the stats good when they don't know even the aspect of some players (I remember, PES 2016, when I was checking people I saw a goalkeeper who has black and short hair since years, and for Konami he has long hair and blond and it's not the only one, we all know not everyone will have face but at least the basics... so, we can't trust in them with the stats :lol: )? Maybe about modern football some of the most known players could be but classics...

For example, Zico, we rate him with 88, Konami with 87 and PSD with 92 (and they overrate lot of values, and underrate others)

Gerd Müller for konami has 95, and he was the best in ATT with no doubt, so we rate him with the best value because if we don't use that, the value would be useless.

if we start to rate Midfielders with that high values just because we want it, lot of AMF and SMF will be better strikers than 80% of the forwards. Do you think Kaká is better than Raúl from 2007-2012(92) in that aspect or even you think that Kaká is equal to Shevchenko in ATT? Because I don't think so :lol:


Thu Apr 21, 2016 10:17 pm
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Zico's ATT from PES 5 > http://www.pesmaster.com/zilre/pes-5/player/1353/ (92) i see it fair for him, needless to mention why, tons of goals, superb attacking intelligence, Insane vision, etc

The Konami's trusting stats issue is because they know how to work all the game better than any self proclaim statmaker around the net, but me i just compare all his sets, trying to see what value fit better for the intentioned ability according on what we see in every footage of the player that i'm going to rate, instead of just tossing some numbers just because he is not better historically than "x" player..

And of course, their are not 100% reliable, just look all the less knows players of his PES 2016 :roll:


Thu Apr 21, 2016 11:05 pm
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JeanMarc wrote:
El Capo Del Cartel wrote:

ATT is how dangerous the player is in every situation (Playmaking abilities, Attacking Intelligence, how often create danger in every situation; everything related to Attack)


If this is correct than Beckenbauer should have at least ATT 95, since he was hundred times better than Kaka in everything you wrote, except of pace...



Here we go again..No he can't, because Xavi who is at 83 should be on 95-97 at least too and Baresi (a similar player, should be at 87-90), and you wouldn't like that do you?

I don't give a flying **** if Franz was "hundred times" better than Kaka', if i see on Kaka or in any player ever the skills or abilities to reach a determined number in any ability, i'll put it and thats it..


Wed Apr 27, 2016 3:59 pm
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gurkenjoe93 wrote:
El Capo Del Cartel wrote:
I don't give a flying **** if Franz was "hundred times" better than Kaka', if i see on Kaka or in any player ever the skills or abilities to reach a determined number in any ability, i'll put it and thats it..

The point is that you aren't in the position to do that. You can't simply change sets that were made, discussed and agreed by other members only because you want it. If you want to have full control, you should create you own page..

Am i doing that now? I think that have already "paid" for that big "insult" (if that was an insult :lol: )

The fact that some of the sets were discused and rated in old "standards" aren't enough motives to "reupdated" the sets?

Anyway, i'm still curious on how you still keep coming to PMDC after all the "threat"/"show "to retire/leave because you don't want to be part of this "unbalanced" database because some random 40's winger deserves to be equally or even higher rated in physical/skills attributes than for example Littbarski or even Denilson just because the "accurate and not biased" texts say that he was "a very gifted" player..


Wed Apr 27, 2016 5:15 pm
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So than everybody who can dribble 2-3 opponents and make great final pass should have orange or red stats for ATT like Okocha and Denilson for example.

I said I won't be posting any new content (stats and teams) which I respect, but still I don't want the efforts of all the members made for years to just vanish with something what is wrong. Especially sets like Kaka and Adriano which are fairly rated..


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Neither Okocha or Denilson deserve it because they weren't consistent enough to deserve it...

If i wanted to "vanish" all the efforts made by former members, i wouldn't even post the "older sets update notification and spoiler"..


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Than what about Simonsen, Littbarski, Magico, Van Himst, Stojković, Sušić, Scifo, Streltsov, Gascoigne, Brady, Futre, Laudrup, Boniek, Hagi, Kopa, Haynes, Zola, Hoddle, Le Tissier, Rai, Rocha, Savićević, Moller, Liedholm, Michel, Conti, Rivera, Haller, Onega, Socrates and many others, they all should have orange or red for ATT...

But yes, they were not fancy as Kaka, they don't play for Real and Barca, they don't play nowadays so they can't have such a values.

But Ronaldinho who has almost max 99 for DA and TEC, has also orange passing, must have red ATT since he was "dangerous" when attacking. So follwing that logic, everybody with orange/red values for DA,TEC and passing must also have orange/red for ATT...


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Kaka' fancy and Magico and Littbarski aren't??

So what's your "definition" of ATT?


Wed Apr 27, 2016 8:02 pm
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If i have to choose for all those listed players and also kaka, Ronaldinho, their current stats or stats where they all will have orange-red ATT, I'd certainly choose current stats...

Riquelme ATT 89? Why, just because he had fantastic pass, technique, dribbling and vision. Sorry but no, 85 should be fine for him.

Beckenbauer had also fantastic technique, good dribbling and excellent passing range, not even mentioning his vision and intelligence, but he was prisoner of his coaches so he had to play in defence against his will so couldn't show it so frequent like kaka and Riquelme. So he needs orange as well than...

Ronaldinho was "dangerous" because of his tricks and feints, footwork and technique, that's why he has almost max 99 values for DA and TEC. Besides he has orange values for passing, decent shooting stats and speed stats, good FK, he doesn't need to have even ATT in red...

That definition of ATT you're trying to introduce here is invented by certain group of teenagers in order to overrate their favourite players from those "big" teams, following wrong stats made by Konami in the past. But as we can see Konami admited their mistake from the past, by giving now Iniesta and Bale 78, Pirlo 66, etc in new Attacking Prowess, something they should have done 10-12 years ago..,


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:lol: Well have luck in the new format, with no TW and MEN where also change the standard now of rating ATT, BB, BW, DP..

Players like Varela and Dunga would be kinda useless in the new format..Strikers like Benzema having 60 or less in "lofted Pass" as well, that's funny...

So then explain me why every "big legend" as a classic player (Pele, Di Stefano, Maradona, Cruyff) in the "old" generation stats were given 95-99 in ATT, if they weren't typical poachers like apparently are the only ones who "deserve" red value in ATT :lol: ?

What can i expect of people who can't properly rate SPS and LPS for vintage players who played on a pace of a 2nd division Mexican league?

JeanMarc wrote:

That definition of ATT you're trying to introduce here is invented by certain group of teenagers in order to overrate their favourite players from those "big" teams, following wrong stats made by Konami in the past. But as we can see Konami admited their mistake from the past, by giving now Iniesta and Bale 78, Pirlo 66, etc in new Attacking Prowess, something they should have done 10-12 years ago..


You couldn't said it better, it's bloody new, it works different now than 10-12 years ago.


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