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Name: Hércules de Brito Ruas

Nickname: "Britão"

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Country: :BRA: Brazil
Club: Vasco da Gama, Flamengo
Position: *CB
Side: RF/BS
Age: 27-31 years (09/08/1939)

Height: 182 cm
Weight: 81 kg

Attack: 60
Defence: 85
Balance: 85
Stamina: 76
Top Speed: 73
Acceleration: 72
Response: 81
Agility: 75
Dribble Accuracy: 74
Dribble Speed: 72
Short Pass Accuracy: 69
Short Pass Speed: 75
Long Pass Accuracy: 73
Long Pass Speed: 72
Shot Accuracy: 63
Shot Power: 81
Shot Technique: 66
Free Kick Accuracy: 67
Curling: 58
Header: 84
Jump: 84
Technique: 72
Aggression: 64
Mentality: 80
Goalkeeper Skills: 50
Team Work: 73

Injury Tolerance: B
Condition: 5
Weak Foot Accuracy: 5
Weak Foot Frequency: 5
Consistency: 5
Growth type: Standard/Lasting

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S09 - Covering

SPECIAL ABILITIES: Covering

Attack/Defence Awareness Card: Defence Minded


Sun Mar 17, 2013 2:27 pm
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Brito's stamina is at least 90.

For his team work I would upgrade it for around 80/82. He was a group player.

Also, you can take Flamengo out of his mention clubs. Eventough he was playing for Flamengo when was called and regular for Brazil in the WC 1970, he didn't live a good moment there. He had better times in Botafogo, a little after.


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Bola Clássica wrote:
Brito's stamina is at least 90.

For his team work I would upgrade it for around 80/82. He was a group player.

Also, you can take Flamengo out of his mention clubs. Eventough he was playing for Flamengo when was called and regular for Brazil in the WC 1970, he didn't live a good moment there. He had better times in Botafogo, a little after.

STA 90 for a defender who ─ judging by the stats ─ would be stuck in the back and never join the attack? He doesn't need high stamina. Maybe you could refer to mentality but I have no idea if he deserves more than 80. Teamwork isn't exactly about being a team player but more about collaborating with the team in terms of ball distribution or at least ─ in case of a defender ─ with the other defenders more generally. His TW is still decent since it's in 70s.


Mon Sep 20, 2021 6:13 pm
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Ok. Agree about TW, I was thinking differently about this stats.

Regarding stamina, he was nominated the player with the highest stamina of the World Cup 1970. Also, during the trainings he was the best of the team in terms of stamina, this situation became knowing by everybody.


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Bola Clássica wrote:
Regarding stamina, he was nominated the player with the highest stamina of the tournament. Also, during the trainings he was the best of the team in terms of stamina, this situation became knowing by all.


I hope Magic is fine with me answering for him: Those stats are meant to represent his performances on the pitch, not stuff that he allegedly showed in training.
And it's not that beeing the best of his team (what I highly doubt, especially since fitness/stamina certainly wasn't measured back then as nowadays) is a criteria for beeing one of the best in general: Brazil 1970 was a team that stood out for many things but certainly not for stamina, fitness or physical abilities.


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gurkenjoe93 wrote:

I hope Magic is fine with me answering for him: Those stats are meant to represent his performances on the pitch, not stuff that he allegedly showed in training.
And it's not that beeing the best of his team (what I highly doubt, especially since fitness/stamina certainly wasn't measured back then as nowadays) is a criteria for beeing one of the best in general: Brazil 1970 was a team that stood out for many things but certainly not for stamina, fitness or physical abilities.


I agree with what you say about match performances, but au contraire to what you said regarding physical quality, Brazil actually managed to organize a solid fitness program that granted players like Everaldo, Carlos Alberto, Tostão, Gerson and Rivellino much needed strength to play the full 90 minutes of matches. I don't actually know how to measure if Brito's STA was actually as high as Bola Clássica suggests, but it might be worth it to up it by a few points, maybe bring it to the low 80s (80-81?).

There's a lot of info regarding Brazil's physical trainings and preparation. Check it out: https://www.espn.com/soccer/brazil-bra/ ... reparation


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It is funny how credit is not giving for the Brazilians that know about football in this forum.

Ok. Let me tell you something about Brazilian football history. Brazil made a special preparation for 70 (something that never had done before) with specialists, more than one month before the World Cup. It was very commented at that time and it is still known by us nowadays.

Also, Brazil was good in every aspects? Yes. But, even it being hard to believe, the phisical aspect was the most important one.

And yes, in that time they measured it and Brito was considered the best one.

And yes, it was represented on the pitch. Brito was also voted for the best 11 of the Brazilian Championship.

And yes, he was known by his stamina.


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Mon Sep 20, 2021 7:50 pm
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gurkenjoe93 wrote:
Brazil 1970 was a team that stood out for many things but certainly not for stamina, fitness or physical abilities.


wow, that's an amazing statement. I don't have anything to add other than what I've already added, but man... :lol: that was... the team that crushed all the opponents in the second half mainly because of the physical preparation is not a team that stood out for fitness or physical abilities. I have full respect for the work you've done here on the forum, but that was unacceptable.


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Mikerdead39 wrote:
gurkenjoe93 wrote:
Brazil 1970 was a team that stood out for many things but certainly not for stamina, fitness or physical abilities.


wow, that's an amazing statement. I don't have anything to add other than what I've already added, but man... :lol: that was... the team that crushed all the opponents in the second half mainly because of the physical preparation is not a team that stood out for fitness or physical abilities. I have full respect for the work you've done here on the forum, but that was unacceptable.



Including Italy in the final. Brazil wasnt that much superior technically comparing to Italy but phisically was way above the other nations.

Maybe if he watch the final match again with the new information he just got he will understand it.


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It’s not necessary for any CB to be above low to mid yellows in STA unless they played in other positions or were a super aggressive defender that goes forward often (for example, Mascherano or Sergio Ramos). Brito probably only ran a few kilometres every game, nothing that would justify an orange value. It’s super difficult to actually run out of stamina in-game with a CB unless you’re playing a full 120 minutes and chasing the ball constantly. You could discuss a low yellow value but that would be up to MagicDip.


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Bola Clássica wrote:
It is funny how credit is not giving for the Brazilians that know about football in this forum.


When there's footage, we rate players on it.

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Ok. Let me tell you something about Brazilian football history. Brazil made a special preparation for 70 (something that never had done before) with specialists, more than one month before the World Cup. It was very commented at that time and it is still known by us nowadays.


And what's special about that? That's something that European athletes (not only in football) have done for decades and - even more important - has no relevance here. That's called professionalism, I know that this is something that isn't commonly known in Brazil.

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Also, Brazil was good in every aspects? Yes. But, even it being hard to believe, the phisical aspect was the most important one.


They weren't the best team in terms of phyiscal abilities. Go and watch how English midfield of that WC played, every one of those four was miles above every Brazil player.

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And yes, in that time they measure it and Brito was considered the best one.


But not in the games. Seriously, how often do we have to tell you that training stuff is irrelevant for stats? As Interista said he was CB at that WC and certainly didn't chase opponents over the entire pitch for 90 minutes. That is something that you can see when you watch the games, not some made-up story :roll:

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And yes, it was represented on the pitch. Brito was also voted for the best 11 of the Brazilian Championship.


Awards are irrelevant for this set.

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And yes, he was known by his stamina.


Again: The performance on the pitch is relevant.


Mikerdead39 wrote:
wow, that's an amazing statement. I don't have anything to add other than what I've already added, but man... :lol: that was... the team that crushed all the opponents in the second half mainly because of the physical preparation is not a team that stood out for fitness or physical abilities. I have full respect for the work you've done here on the forum, but that was unacceptable.


You guys don't have any respect for our work. You come here and want to overrate every player from Brazil, no how good or average they were, and don't even have proper arguments.
And yeah, Brazil's four key players Pelé, Tostao, Jairzinho, Gerson and Rivelino really stood out for their fitness :lol:
What am I telling here? They were monsters! If Pelé wouldn't have been busy playing football, he would have ran marathons and set up world records - the rest of the team of course as well (Brito is out of competition here, he would have even outrun Emil Zatopek).

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Including Italy in the final. Brazil wasnt that much superior technically but phisically was eay above the other nations.


:lol: :lol: :lol:
Italy had played 120 minutes match against West Germany (equally good as Italy, much better than opponents like Peru and Uruguay) only four days before, of course they were exhausted. And I watched that final and unlike you I didn't saw Brito running a lot there because he didn't have to. We get a pretty good impression of him btw between 6:13 and 9:00 we can see pretty well in this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZRdegSdrBI

What a magnificient performance, we should also raise his DEF, RES, SPA and TMW to 90 to represent that amazing positioning, quick response, pin point passing and fantastic understanding with his team mates. The GOAT CB, I've never seen anything in my life like that. Don't know why people still talk about Cannavaro's performance in 2006 when you have legendary Brito to talk about!


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StuartBannigan wrote:
It’s not necessary for any CB to be above low to mid yellows in STA unless they played in other positions or were a super aggressive defender that goes forward often (for example, Mascherano or Sergio Ramos). Brito probably only ran a few kilometres every game, nothing that would justify an orange value. It’s super difficult to actually run out of stamina in-game with a CB unless you’re playing a full 120 minutes and chasing the ball constantly. You could discuss a low yellow value but that would be up to MagicDip.



Ok. Looking at this way, makes sense. But a yellow value would be more fair a think (keeping in mind he was know by his lungs and strenght).


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Bola Clássica wrote:
Ok. Looking at this way, makes sense. But a yellow value would be more fair a think (keeping in mind he was know by his lungs and strenght).

Don't rely much in the "he was known for" thing unless we talk about a very old player. Paul Gascoigne was known for being a freaking alcoholizer but was he drunk during the matches? Maybe he even was but he surely proved to be one of the finest English midfielders ever. I know the comparison is a bit off topic but it's just to underline what I said in the first sentence.


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gurkenjoe93 wrote:
Bola Clássica wrote:
It is funny how credit is not giving for the Brazilians that know about football in this forum.


When there's footage, we rate players on it.
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But there are not enough. How do you do that? What about to learn football history?

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Ok. Let me tell you something about Brazilian football history. Brazil made a special preparation for 70 (something that never had done before) with specialists, more than one month before the World Cup. It was very commented at that time and it is still known by us nowadays.


And what's special about that? That's something that European athletes (not only in football) have done for decades and - even more important - has no relevance here. That's called professionalism, I know that this is something that isn't commonly known in Brazil.
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I really dont think so. And you dont need to talk about nowadays Brazilian professionalism to makr a point as you dont have one.

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Also, Brazil was good in every aspects? Yes. But, even it being hard to believe, the phisical aspect was the most important one.


They weren't the best team in terms of phyiscal abilities. Go and watch how English midfield of that WC played, every one of those four was miles above every Brazil player.
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Maybe because we didnt have four midfielders :lol: :lol: :lol:

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And yes, in that time they measure it and Brito was considered the best one.


But not in the games. Seriously, how often do we have to tell you that training stuff is irrelevant for stats? As Interista said he was CB at that WC and certainly didn't chase opponents over the entire pitch for 90 minutes. That is something that you can see when you watch the games, not some made-up story :roll:
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Stamina is stamina. Do you think I guy who has stamina in training, has no stamina in the game?

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And yes, it was represented on the pitch. Brito was also voted for the best 11 of the Brazilian Championship.


Awards are irrelevant for this set.
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No, if his was known by this set. :roll:

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And yes, he was known by his stamina.


Again: The performance on the pitch is relevant.
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Again, stamina is stamina. If he doesnt use on the pitch, he still have it. :roll:


Mikerdead39 wrote:
wow, that's an amazing statement. I don't have anything to add other than what I've already added, but man... :lol: that was... the team that crushed all the opponents in the second half mainly because of the physical preparation is not a team that stood out for fitness or physical abilities. I have full respect for the work you've done here on the forum, but that was unacceptable.


You guys don't have any respect for our work. You come here and want to overrate every player from Brazil, no how good or average they were, and don't even have proper arguments.
And yeah, Brazil's four key players Pelé, Tostao, Jairzinho, Gerson and Rivelino really stood out for their fitness :lol:
What am I telling here? They were monsters! If Pelé wouldn't have been busy playing football, he would have ran marathons and set up world records - the rest of the team of course as well (Brito is out of competition here, he would have even outrun Emil Zatopek).

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Of course we show respect, I actually think you dont.

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Including Italy in the final. Brazil wasnt that much superior technically but phisically was eay above the other nations.


:lol: :lol: :lol:
Italy had played 120 minutes match against West Germany (equally good as Italy, much better than opponents like Peru and Uruguay) only four days before, of course they were exhausted. And I watched that final and unlike you I didn't saw Brito running a lot there because he didn't have to. We get a pretty good impression of him btw between 6:13 and 9:00 we can see pretty well in this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZRdegSdrBI

What a magnificient performance, we should also raise his DEF, RES, SPA and TMW to 90 to represent that amazing positioning, quick response, pin point passing and fantastic understanding with his team mates. The GOAT CB, I've never seen anything in my life like that. Don't know why people still talk about Cannavaro's performance in 2006 when you have legendary Brito to talk about!

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Well, not comment about this. It is not the point as usual.



The answers are inside the quote


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gurkenjoe93 wrote:
You guys don't have any respect for our work.


lol, ok.

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You come here and want to overrate every player from Brazil, no how good or average they were


No, i don't.

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And yeah, Brazil's four key players Pelé, Tostao, Jairzinho, Gerson and Rivelino really stood out for their fitness :lol:
What am I telling here? They were monsters! If Pelé wouldn't have been busy playing football, he would have ran marathons and set up world records - the rest of the team of course as well (Brito is out of competition here, he would have even outrun Emil Zatopek).


Man, you can do as many ironies as you like (not funny at all) but that won't negate the facts.

https://www.espn.com/soccer/brazil-bra/story/4085513/brazils-1970-world-cup-squad-were-pioneers-in-physical-preparation?platform=amp

https://sportindepth.com/index.php/2020/09/28/the-story-behind-brazils-1970-world-cup-win/

https://m.lance.com.br/selecao-brasileira/preparacao-selecao-1970-tornou-uma-referencia-recorda-carlos-alberto-parreira.html

https://www.uol.com.br/esporte/reportagens-especiais/50-anos-do-tri-selecao-de-1970-assombrou-a-fifa-tambem-por-seu-preparo-fisico/

https://www.cbf.com.br/amp/selecao-brasileira/noticias/selecao-masculina/parreira-destaca-que-alem-do-talento-preparacao-fisica-fez-diferenca

https://www.terra.com.br/amp/esportes/lance/preparacao-da-selecao-de-1970-se-tornou-uma-referencia-recorda-carlos-alberto-parreira,77fdbcc23348e2c8e7af1e1100ec50c18vtu216s.html

And yes, I think fitness expert opinion is more accurate than jurgenkoe, the forum guy, guessing based on an Extended Highlight.


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