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Name: Hércules de Brito Ruas

Nickname: "Britão"

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Country: :BRA: Brazil
Club: Vasco da Gama, Flamengo
Position: *CB
Side: RF/BS
Age: 27-31 years (09/08/1939)

Height: 182 cm
Weight: 81 kg

Attack: 60
Defence: 85
Balance: 85
Stamina: 76
Top Speed: 73
Acceleration: 72
Response: 81
Agility: 75
Dribble Accuracy: 74
Dribble Speed: 72
Short Pass Accuracy: 69
Short Pass Speed: 75
Long Pass Accuracy: 73
Long Pass Speed: 72
Shot Accuracy: 63
Shot Power: 81
Shot Technique: 66
Free Kick Accuracy: 67
Curling: 58
Header: 84
Jump: 84
Technique: 72
Aggression: 64
Mentality: 80
Goalkeeper Skills: 50
Team Work: 73

Injury Tolerance: B
Condition: 5
Weak Foot Accuracy: 5
Weak Foot Frequency: 5
Consistency: 5
Growth type: Standard/Lasting

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S09 - Covering

SPECIAL ABILITIES: Covering

Attack/Defence Awareness Card: Defence Minded


Sun Mar 17, 2013 2:27 pm
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Interista93 wrote:
Bola Clássica wrote:
Ok. Looking at this way, makes sense. But a yellow value would be more fair a think (keeping in mind he was know by his lungs and strenght).

Don't rely much in the "he was known for" thing unless we talk about a very old player. Paul Gascoigne was known for being a freaking alcoholizer but was he drunk during the matches? Maybe he even was but he surely proved to be one of the finest English midfielders ever. I know the comparison is a bit off topic but it's just to underline what I said in the first sentence.



I agree with that. Talking about the subject that this Topic aims at, from the 1970 Brazil National Team games that I watched on Footballia, I didn't see anything that showed that he is a player with great Stamina and Mentality (even because he didn't run a lot to demonstrate it) and the stats should be purely based on what it showed in games.


Mon Sep 20, 2021 9:18 pm
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Mikerdead39 wrote:
gurkenjoe93 wrote:
You guys don't have any respect for our work.


lol, ok.

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You come here and want to overrate every player from Brazil, no how good or average they were


No, i don't.

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And yeah, Brazil's four key players Pelé, Tostao, Jairzinho, Gerson and Rivelino really stood out for their fitness :lol:
What am I telling here? They were monsters! If Pelé wouldn't have been busy playing football, he would have ran marathons and set up world records - the rest of the team of course as well (Brito is out of competition here, he would have even outrun Emil Zatopek).


Man, you can do as many ironies as you like (not funny at all) but that won't negate the facts.

https://www.espn.com/soccer/brazil-bra/story/4085513/brazils-1970-world-cup-squad-were-pioneers-in-physical-preparation?platform=amp

https://sportindepth.com/index.php/2020/09/28/the-story-behind-brazils-1970-world-cup-win/

https://m.lance.com.br/selecao-brasileira/preparacao-selecao-1970-tornou-uma-referencia-recorda-carlos-alberto-parreira.html

https://www.uol.com.br/esporte/reportagens-especiais/50-anos-do-tri-selecao-de-1970-assombrou-a-fifa-tambem-por-seu-preparo-fisico/

https://www.cbf.com.br/amp/selecao-brasileira/noticias/selecao-masculina/parreira-destaca-que-alem-do-talento-preparacao-fisica-fez-diferenca

https://www.terra.com.br/amp/esportes/lance/preparacao-da-selecao-de-1970-se-tornou-uma-referencia-recorda-carlos-alberto-parreira,77fdbcc23348e2c8e7af1e1100ec50c18vtu216s.html

And yes, I think fitness expert opinion is more accurate than jurgenkoe, the forum guy, guessing based on an Extended Highlight.



Thanks for taking the time to collect those infos.
The guy doenst know beyond the basic about Brazilian football.


Mon Sep 20, 2021 9:23 pm
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Bola Clássica wrote:
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Italy had played 120 minutes match against West Germany (equally good as Italy, much better than opponents like Peru and Uruguay) only four days before, of course they were exhausted. And I watched that final and unlike you I didn't saw Brito running a lot there because he didn't have to.


Well, not comment about this. It is not the point as usual.

The answers are inside the quote

After the group stage ─ where all teams supposedly were fresh ─ Brazil played against Peru ─ a way weaker team ─ Uruguay ─ that came from a 120' minutes match against Soviet Union, not Peru ─ and Italy ─ that came from a 120' minutes match against Germany, not Peru. Did you at least think that maybe, just maybe, Brazil looked way more fresh and physically prepared because the opponents were either simply weaker ─ in the case of Peru ─ or out of stamina?


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Interista93 wrote:
Bola Clássica wrote:
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Italy had played 120 minutes match against West Germany (equally good as Italy, much better than opponents like Peru and Uruguay) only four days before, of course they were exhausted. And I watched that final and unlike you I didn't saw Brito running a lot there because he didn't have to.


Well, not comment about this. It is not the point as usual.

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After the group stage ─ where all teams supposedly were fresh ─ Brazil played against Peru ─ a way weaker team ─ Uruguay ─ that came from a 120' minutes match against Soviet Union, not Peru ─ and Italy ─ that came from a 120' minutes match against Germany, not Peru. Did you at least think that maybe, just maybe, Brazil looked way more fresh and physically prepared because the opponents were either simply weaker ─ in the case of Peru ─ or out of stamina?


If teams are weaker or less prepared then everything is in proportion. Being "the best prepared" is a matter of comparing who is weaker and stronger than X, and in this case, nobody was better than Brazil. It's impossible to say if Italy wasn't 100% just because of the 120-minute match and not the pre-WC preparation. All of this is important to understand why Brazil is considered a pioneer.


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Mikerdead39 wrote:
If teams are weaker or less prepared then everything is in proportion. Being "the best prepared" is a matter of comparing who is weaker and stronger than X, and in this case, nobody was better than Brazil. It's impossible to say if Italy wasn't 100% just because of the 120-minute match and not the pre-WC preparation. All of this is important to understand why Brazil is considered a pioneer.

Then we should say that Brazil won because they were the better team in terms of technical qualities. Who knows what would've happened if Brazil had played 120' minutes in both quarter final and semifinal while Italy had two easier games? What we're saying is that it may have looked like Brazil had oustanding stamina as well as physical preparation and these characteristics stood out on the technical ones simply because the opposing teams were too tired.


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If a player run a lot and cover a lot of area of the pitch during a game, than he should have higher value for STA. If he's well prepared, full of condition, have amazing results at training, etc, and during the game he plays as a typical static CB, he doesn't deserve high value for STA. It's as simple as that.
I'm sure that all players are able to run at least 11km per game. Do they need to run that much? No. So, for example, we don't need to give high value for STA to Toni or Van Nistelrooy because they don't show that at the pitch. And I'm sure that their results on training were excellent too, and that they were able to run a lot. Otherwise, all players would have had STA values from 88 to 99.


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15 years ago more or less, it was commented (I don't know if it were in Hertha Berlin or in the Croatian NT concentrations), that Josip Šimunić made tricks with the ball in the training sessions just like Ronaldinho would do; I even remenber that it was written on the player's info here on the forum (before it was changed).

Should we give him Beckenbauer-esque values at him just because his colleagues praised his technical ability on training?


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Also I would say that his apparently famous levels of fitness would justify a higher value in COND rather than STA.


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We are just telling you guys the particular Brazil football history. But of course, other matters could determinate the stamina in games.

The fact is (and the only thing is being told here) is that Brazil did a special preparation and guess what? very professional. (Maybe it could be a surprise for someone that doesnt know much about Brazilian football. But it is mark on our history. Our best condition in history).

And I am added here that Brito was known by everyone (players, staff, press and supporters) as the best in stamina during the WC.


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Interista93 wrote:
Mikerdead39 wrote:
If teams are weaker or less prepared then everything is in proportion. Being "the best prepared" is a matter of comparing who is weaker and stronger than X, and in this case, nobody was better than Brazil. It's impossible to say if Italy wasn't 100% just because of the 120-minute match and not the pre-WC preparation. All of this is important to understand why Brazil is considered a pioneer.

Then we should say that Brazil won because they were the better team in terms of technical qualities. Who knows what would've happened if Brazil had played 120' minutes in both quarter final and semifinal while Italy had two easier games? What we're saying is that it may have looked like Brazil had oustanding stamina as well as physical preparation and these characteristics stood out on the technical ones simply because the opposing teams were too tired.


hmmm, I disagree, but I don't think there's a very good way to defend my side because we're getting into too subjective concepts. All I have to say is that Brito didn't show that he deserves 90 Stamina.


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StuartBannigan wrote:
Also I would say that his apparently famous levels of fitness would justify a higher value in COND rather than STA.


Yeah.


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Bola Clássica wrote:
And I am added here that Brito was known by everyone (players, staff, press and supporters) as the best in stamina during the WC.

There are many example of players acclaimed by teammates and staff for a specific ability or for being outstanding in everything. Then they didn't live up to their expectations. If I remember some of these examples I'll let you know. Of course I'm not saying that Brito is one of them. I'm just telling why teammates and staff aren't always reliable.
Press always used to make a bigger deal out of players and they still do. What about supporters? Most fans simply agree with what the press says. After all, everything they say is automatically true, isn't it?


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StuartBannigan wrote:
Also I would say that his apparently famous levels of fitness would justify a higher value in COND rather than STA.



Maybe thats it.

I am not a specialist in pes stats. Actually, I know very few.

What I was doing was adding information. I know most of you guys will take advantage of it or not. Just do it if you think it is relevant.

What doesnt make any sense is someone just criticized everything as he knows everything and nobody else knows nothing. It looks a little bit ridiculous actually.

Also, the forum is suppose to be fun, right? Talk about a commom passion, that is football. Not stressed about that.

Since it is in English I assume that is to be open for every nations, right? Just let me know if I am wrong.

Being that, I am sure will be lot of Brazilians when the subject is football


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Interista93 wrote:
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And I am added here that Brito was known by everyone (players, staff, press and supporters) as the best in stamina during the WC.

There are many example of players acclaimed by teammates and staff for a specific ability or for being outstanding in everything. Then they didn't live up to their expectations. If I remember some of these examples I'll let you know. Of course I'm not saying that Brito is one of them. I'm just telling why teammates and staff aren't always reliable.
Press always used to make a bigger deal out of players and they still do. What about supporters? Most fans simply agree with what the press says. After all, everything they say is automatically true, isn't it?



It is relative. I can give you a huge example. What do you think about Cafu? The last ballon D'Or gave him as the best in the history in his position.

Guess what? Among the Brazilian who knows about football dont put him as top 3 right back of the Brazil's history.

It is also depends on the culture and how the people see the game.

PS: I actually dont know how Italians see Cafu, considering he played for years in Italy you probably has a really relevant opinion about that.


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Bola Clássica wrote:
It is relative. I can give you a huge example. What do you think about Cafu? The last ballon D'Or gave him as the best in the history in his position.

Guess what? Among the Brazilian who knows about football dont put him as top 3 right back of the Brazil's history.

It is also depends on the culture and how the people see the game.

PS: I actually dont know how Italians see Cafu, considering he played for years in Italy you probably has a really relevant opinion about that.

I see him as one of the best ever right backs especially of the 2000s but not the greatest in the history. Therefore, you can see how much unreliable and subjective the press is.
However, because France Football said so, I wouldn't be suprised if many football fans now believe that Cafu is the greatest ever.


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