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JeanMarc
Amministratore
Joined: Fri Mar 15, 2013 11:05 am Posts: 597 Location: Vancouver, BC
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Hamburger Sport-Verein All Stars COACH:  Ernst HAPPEL GOALKEEPERS: Rudi KARGUS Uli STEINDEFENDERS: Josef POSIPAL Peter NOGLY Manfred KALTZ Willi SCHULZ Albert BEIER Ivan BULJAN Jürgen KURBJUHN Ditmar JAKOBSMIDFIELDERS: Felix MAGATH Rudolf NOACK Asbjørn HALVORSEN Jimmy HARTWIG  Heinz SPUNDFLASCHE Klaus STÜRMER Jürgen WERNERSTRIKERS: Uwe SEELER Gert DÖRFEL Horst HRUBESCH Kevin KEEGAN Georg VOLKERT Otto HARDER_____________________________________________________________ RESERVES:
GOALKEEPERS:
Horst SCHNOOR
Richard GOLZ
DEFENDERS:
Peter HIDIEN
Horst BLANKENBURG
Dietmar BEIERSDORFER
Jürgen GROH
Petar HUBCHEV
Andrej PANADIĆ Walter RISSE
Richard DÖRFEL
Holger HIERONYMUS
Carsten KOBER
Bernd WEHMEYER
Hans-Jürgen RIPP Fritz LABAND
Egon HORST
MIDFIELDERS:
Uwe BEIN
Thomas DOLL
Klaus ZACZYK
Jan FURTOK
Yordan LETCHKOV
Thomas VON HEESEN
Willi GIESEMANN
Hans LANG
Caspar MEMERING
Wolfgang ROLFF
Johann ETTMAYER Dieter SEELER
Harald SPÖRL
Franz-Josef HÖNIG
STRIKERS:
Friedo DÖRFEL Mehdi MAHDAVIKIA Sergej BARBAREZ Franz HORN Erwin SEELER
Herbert WOJTKOWIAK
Bernd DÖRFEL
Horst BERTL
Arno STEFFENHAGEN
Willi REIMANN
Jürgen MILEWSKI
Tony YEBOAH
Edmund ADAMKIEWICZTHE BEST EVER XI: GK STEIN SWP SCHULZ CB JAKOBS RB KALTZ LB KURBJUHN DMF HALVORSEN DMF HARTWIG CMF/ AMF MAGATH SS/ RWF KEEGAN LWF G. DÖRFEL CF SEELER © Captain: Uwe Seeler | Felix Magath | Manfred Kaltz Short Free Kick: Manfred Kaltz | Felix Magath Long Free Kick: Felix Magath | Manfred Kaltz Left Corner: Manfred Kaltz | Felix Magath Right Corner: Felix Magath | Manfred Kaltz Penalty: Manfred Kaltz HonoursGerman Champions: Winners: 1922–23, 1927–28, 1959–60, 1978–79, 1981–82, 1982–83 Runners-up: 1923–24, 1956–57, 1957–58, 1975–76, 1979–80, 1980–81, 1983–84, 1986–87
DFB-Pokal: Winners: 1962–63, 1975–76, 1986–87 Runners-up: 1955–56, 1966–67, 1973–74
DFB-Ligapokal: Winners: 1972–73, 2003
DFB-Supercup: Runners-up: 1977, 1983, 1987
European Cup: Winners: 1982–83 Runners-up: 1979–80
European Cup Winners' Cup: Winners: 1976–77 Runners-up: 1967–68
UEFA Cup: Runners-up: 1981–82
UEFA Super Cup: Runners-up: 1977, 1983
UEFA Intertoto Cup: Winners: 2005, 2007 (Outright Winners) Group Winners: 1970, 1994 Runners-up: 1999
Intercontinental Cup Runners-up: 1983
Northern German football championship (unrecognized) Winners (10): 1921, 1922, 1923, 1924, 1925, 1928, 1929, 1931, 1932, 1933 (record)
Oberliga Nord (unrecognized) Winners (15): 1948, 1949, 1950, 1951, 1952, 1953, 1955, 1956, 1957, 1958, 1959, 1960, 1961, 1962, 1963 (record)
Gauliga Nordmark (unrecognized) Winners: 1937, 1938, 1939, 1941
Gauliga Hamburg Winners: 1945
Stadtliga Hamburg Winners: 1946
British occupation zone championship Winners: 1947, 1948 (record)
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Fri Apr 05, 2013 8:28 am |
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gurkenjoe93
Joined: Wed Jun 26, 2013 9:38 pm Posts: 2548
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Ali Beier should be in first team, he was one of the best defenders HSV ever had. IMO he could replace Fritz Laband who for sure was a good player but never as important as Beier was.. Also Asbjørn Halvorsen is IMO a candidate for first team and could replace either Werner or Giesemann..
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Thu Dec 12, 2013 11:55 pm |
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giomarino
Joined: Thu Nov 22, 2012 9:57 pm Posts: 457 Location: Modena, Italy
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For now I'll move Ali instead of Laband. You're right for Halvorsen, but we could wait for his stats before doing that. Btw I've tried few times over the past few years to work on his stats, but there's simply no enough useful info. Unfortunately so, because he was great player and it's a pity we don't have him in database yet.
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Fri Dec 13, 2013 4:47 pm |
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gurkenjoe93
Joined: Wed Jun 26, 2013 9:38 pm Posts: 2548
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Heinz Spundflasche has to be in first team here, while Walter Risse, Dieter & Erwin Seeler should be added to the reserves here..
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Sun Aug 17, 2014 3:50 pm |
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gurkenjoe93
Joined: Wed Jun 26, 2013 9:38 pm Posts: 2548
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Well good to hear this, I won't spam the threads with your perfect teams anymore in the future.. But anyway, I know you don't care what I write here but I simply have to say it: Spundflasche could easily replace Caspar Memering or Jürgen Werner as he was a way better footballer than both of them (especially hundred times better than Memering), had better technique, was a better passer, had better vision (probably the best in HSV history) and in contrast to the other two he lost his best football years because of WW2.. Just some quotes about one of the greatest HSV legends: Quote: "Der zumeist auf der linken Halbstürmer- oder Läuferposition seinen Dienst verrichtende Hamburger gilt in Fachkreisen bis heute als einer der genialsten Fußballspieler, die jemals auf Norddeutschlands Sportplätzen unterwegs gewesen sind, kam jedoch nie in der Nationalmannschaft zum Einsatz - zunächst verhinderte der Zweite Weltkrieg seinen internationalen Durchbruch, dann stand ihm vor allem Fritz Walter im Wege. Vom äußeren Erscheinungsbild her erweckte "Spund" nicht unbedingt den Eindruck einer wahren Sportskanone. "Ein Bündel aus Haut und Knochen" schrieb einst ein Journalist über den langen Schlaks, der sich bereits kurz nach seinem Eintritt in die Ligamannschaft des HSV als technisch begnadeter, hochgradig spielintelligenter Fußballstratege erwies und schließlich von der Presse zum "König zwischen den Strafräumen" erkoren wurde. In seiner Statur und Spielweise oft mit Helmut Schön verglichen, zog "Spund" auf unnachahmliche Weise die Angriffsfäden, glänzte mit herrlichen Pässen sowie enormem Ideenreichtum und setzte zudem in Sachen Schussgenauigkeit und Kopfballstärke Maßstäbe. Über anderthalb Jahrzehnte prägte er das Offensivgeschehen beim HSV, trug maßgeblich zu drei Titelgewinnen in der Nordmark-Gauliga sowie zu zwei Zonen- und vier Oberligameisterschaften bei und war aus den Reihen der "Rothosen" einfach nicht mehr wegzudenken. Umso größer fiel die Überraschung aus, als der ob seines vorbildlichen Auftretens ungemein populäre "Gentlemen-Fußballer" 1952 seinen Abschied vom HSV verkündete und zum frisch gebackenen Oberliga-Wiederaufsteiger Altona 93 wechselte." Quote: Unterschätzt zu werden muss für Heinz Spundflasche ein Grundgefühl gewesen sein - jedenfalls was Fußball anging. Halbstürmer oder Außenläufer spielte der hochaufgeschossene Schlacks aus Altona - heute würde man seine Position als Spielmacher oder Zehner einordnen. Auf den ersten Blick flößte er dem Gegner trotz seiner beachtlichen Körpergröße zunächst wenig Respekt ein - zu freundlich der Blick, zu hängend die Schultern. Der Eindruck verflog regelmäßig, wenn er seine Tricks auspackte - und seine taktischen Manöver. Zwischen 1937 und 1952 bestritt "Spundbuddel" ganze 287 Spiele für den HSV (35 Oberligatore) - lächerliche Zahlen, die die Tragik seiner Karriere widerspiegeln. Der 1919 geborene Mittelfeldspieler reiht sich ein in die Riege der Fußball-Talente, die der Zweite Weltkrieg um die besten Jahre ihrer Karriere brachte. Unterschätzt wurde und wird der HSV-Stratege auch wegen seiner Länderspielbilanz: null. Spundflasches Pech in der Vor- und Nachkriegszeit war, dass seine Position bei Bundestrainer Herberger durch den Weltklassespieler Fritz Walter hoffnungslos blockiert war. Dabei konnten sich Spundflasches taktische Vorzüge allemal neben denen des Kaiserslauterer Stars sehen lassen. Er gab die Marschroute der Mannschaft vor und entwickelte dabei eine ungeheure Kreativität Spundflasches Wechsel 1953 zu seinem Heimatclub Altona 93 stürzte den Verein in seine bis dahin schwerste Krise. Ohne ihr "Mastermind" purzelten der Serien-Nordmeister und sein umstrittener Trainer Georg Knöpfle auf den elften Platz in der Oberliga.
Quote: Der als stets fairer Sportsmann gerühmte Spielgestalter wurde auch vielfach in die Norddeutsche Auswahl berufen und gilt als eine der größten norddeutschen Fußballerpersönlichkeiten aller Zeiten. It's funny but I've never read anything like this about Memering (or any text where he is named as one of Hamburg's greatest players) A reason could be that Memering was just a solid player who had the luck to have team mates like Magath, Keagan and Hrubesch and without them he would have archieved nothing in his career (he would have been a solid Bundesliga player but nothing else). He was lucky to be part of the great Hamburg team in the late 1970's while Spundflasche was clearly the best & most important player at HSV while he was playing there..
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Mon Aug 18, 2014 9:07 pm |
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gurkenjoe93
Joined: Wed Jun 26, 2013 9:38 pm Posts: 2548
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Well interesting logic. Then Werner, Noack, Harder, Beier and Halvorsen should all be removed from first team and their stats should be deleted as all of their sets are based on texts (and all of them were amateurs) Btw, one question then. When somebody asked on the old page to replace Raducanu in Dortmund All Stars you refused to change it. When I asked to replace Varga in Hertha All Stars you refused to do it. The reason for it: they both were the best players in their era and belong to the best players in the club history. Why does this argument not count for Spundflasche? Another example: Quote: I'm shocked to see one of the best players in club history Ludwig Goldbrunner not in the first team..Not even mentioning his loyality to club..
He must replace Udo Horsmann in the first team. Udo doesn't deserve to be in the first team, he was just fortunate to play in the right time with such a legends. Sagnol was 5 times better than him, just he wasn't so lucky to have Beckenbauer and Gerd as teammates.. Where's the difference to the situation here? Replace the name Goldbrunner with Spundflasche and Horsmann with Memering and there's no difference between my request and yours..
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Tue Aug 19, 2014 1:01 pm |
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gurkenjoe93
Joined: Wed Jun 26, 2013 9:38 pm Posts: 2548
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Lol, are you serious? In a forum it's normal to have different opinions and it's also normal that people discuss in a forum.. If you really want to leave the forum because I gave some arguments to a specific topic then rather ban me instead of leaving the forum. There are many users who are very thankful for your stats and respect you for your work at the forum (includig me), so please don't leave here.. Charruan left without a reason, Beiderbecke left without a reason, so please change your mind and continue your work here.. This is all I have to tell. If you leave, then I already apologize to all the users and you for driving you out of the forum..
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Tue Aug 19, 2014 9:48 pm |
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BOSCOANCHO
Joined: Tue May 30, 2017 8:45 pm Posts: 11
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"A shared joy is duplicated"  . Please release the Uwe Seeler's set.
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Sun Feb 25, 2018 5:18 am |
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gurkenjoe93
Joined: Wed Jun 26, 2013 9:38 pm Posts: 2548
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 The "Dino" is gone, after 55 years in BL Hamburg is relegated Of course they deserve it (after all they already had luck to survive two relegation playoffs in the last years) but it's also sad that the Bundesliga loses a club with so much history..
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Sun May 13, 2018 1:38 pm |
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FanisJK7
Joined: Fri Jan 31, 2020 10:59 pm Posts: 151 Location: Greece
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Piotr Trochowski?
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Mon Apr 25, 2022 9:08 am |
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LuizChip
Joined: Tue Jun 05, 2018 6:17 pm Posts: 3
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Why there is so many players I can't see?
I'm doing some researches about Herbert Wojtkowiak, I was so happy to see he had a page and... Nop, can't see. Why this?
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