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StuartBannigan wrote:

In my opinion I would definitely choose Bergomi over Pavard and Tarantini over Lucas. Pavard was arguably France’s worst starting player at that tournament and Tarantini was a better player than Lucas (at least for now).

El Capo wrote:

I was about to suggest to put Bergomi over Rava and Tostão over Burruchaga, but criterias are criterias.

PS: And that will mean that the formation must be offensively reordered, so better no.

PS2: However, looking around the reserves, I miss Ghiggia here because he produced one of the most iconic World Cup moments ever, he could be over Bertoni, though i can respect that he was left out for tactical decision.

El Capo wrote:

You won't bench Kempes you mean?

gurkenjoe93 wrote:

Can't believe that both Ghiggia and Götze who actually decided WC finals are only in reserves here..
Not even mentioning both Gallego and Batista in first team instead of Bonhof and Andrade who were both better players (not only in general but also during that WCs)..

Interista93 wrote:

gurkenjoe93 wrote:

Ghiggia was already suggested by StuartBannigan but I forgot to add him instead of Bertoni. You know I used the criteria of appearances as regular starter then in general, trying to have at least one player per nation. I know both Bonhof and Andrade were better than Gallego and Batista. Therefore I'll make the changes. By the way, who would you replace for Götze?

El Capo wrote:

And others were relatively 'average' at best like Schürrle, Ânderson Polga, and Kléberson.

El Capo wrote:

And others were relatively 'average' at best like Schürrle, Ânderson Polga, and Kléberson.

StuartBannigan wrote:

El Capo wrote:

And others were relatively 'average' at best like Schürrle, Ânderson Polga, and Kléberson.

Schürrle at least got the assist for a World Cup winning goal so he would be here no matter what, I think the reserves just have every player who fits the criteria though (after all, not many players have won the World Cup, much less at a young age). Anyway I don't know much about Horst Eckel but Peters is probably the most expendable player there, even if he was pretty important in 1966 I'd say that he wasn't even England's best young midfielder in that squad because Alan Ball was a better player than him.

Author:	Interista93 [ Wed Feb 26, 2020 2:17 pm ]
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YOUNGEST WORLD CUP WINNERS ALL STARS The players selected for this team won a World Cup between the age of 17 and 23 and played at least one game in their respective winning World Cup campaigns. Priority is given to those who played most games as regular starters with the only exception being the goalkeepers as Bodo Illgner is the only one who won a World Cup after playing at least one match in the tournament (he played all of them in 1990). Giuseppe Meazza is the automatic captain as he's the only player in the list to win a World Cup as captain, even though he filled the role in his second World Cup winning campaign. COACH: Alberto SUPPICI (youngest ever coach to win a World Cup) GOALKEEPERS: Émerson LEÃO Bodo ILLGNER DEFENDERS: Pietro RAVA Paul BREITNER Alberto TARANTINI Giuseppe BERGOMI Stefan REUTER Gerard PIQUÉ Pau CUBARSÍ MIDFIELDERS: Víctor RODRÍGUEZ ANDRADE Horst ECKEL Rainer BONHOF Uli HOENEß Jorge BURRUCHAGA Sergio BUSQUETS Mario GÖTZE FORWARDS: Giuseppe MEAZZA Alcides GHIGGIA PELÉ TOSTÃO Mario KEMPES Kylian MBAPPÉ Lamine YAMAL __________________________________________________ *RESERVES:* GOALKEEPERS: Heinz KUBSCH ADO Luis ISLAS DEFENDERS: Ernesto MASCHERONI ORLANDO MARCO ANTÔNIO Néstor CLAUSEN Ânderson POLGA Shkodran MUSTAFI Lucas HERNÁNDEZ Presnel KIMPEMBE Benjamin MENDY Benjamin PAVARD MIDFIELDERS: Álvaro GESTIDO Ugo LOCATELLI Alan BALL Martin PETERS CLODOALDO Américo GALLEGO José Daniel VALENCIA Sergio BATISTA KLÉBERSON Corentin TOLISSO Enzo FERNÁNDEZ Alexis MAC ALLISTER PEDRI FORWARDS: Pablo DORADO Felice BOREL Enrique GUAITA Óscar MÍGUEZ MAZZOLA VAVÁ AMARILDO Daniel BERTONI Thierry HENRY RONALDINHO Alberto GILARDINO André SCHÜRRLE Julián ÁLVAREZ THE BEST EVER XI GK ILLGNER CB BERGOMI CB PIQUÉ RB REUTER LB BREITNER DMF BUSQUETS DMF ECKEL AMF TOSTÃO SS MEAZZA © SS PELÉ CF KEMPES Captain: Giuseppe Meazza Short free kick: Tostão Long free kick: Tostão Free kick 2: Pelé \| Mario Kempes Right corner: Sergio Busquets Left corner: Sergio Busquets Penalty: Pelé \| Giuseppe Meazza

Author:	StuartBannigan [ Wed Feb 26, 2020 3:49 pm ]
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In my opinion I would definitely choose Bergomi over Pavard and Tarantini over Lucas. Pavard was arguably France’s worst starting player at that tournament and Tarantini was a better player than Lucas (at least for now).

Author:	Interista93 [ Wed Feb 26, 2020 6:33 pm ]
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StuartBannigan wrote: In my opinion I would definitely choose Bergomi over Pavard and Tarantini over Lucas. Pavard was arguably France’s worst starting player at that tournament and Tarantini was a better player than Lucas (at least for now). Yeah, I was in doubt between Tarantini and Lucas. About Bergomi, I didn't choose him because he played only twice in 1982 as regular starter and once as substitute. However, thinking about him, he was featured in the last two games of the tournament. I guess I'll replace Lucas and Pavard with them.

Author:	El Capo [ Wed Feb 26, 2020 6:56 pm ]
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I was about to suggest to put Bergomi over Rava and Tostão over Burruchaga, but criterias are criterias. PS: And that will mean that the formation must be offensively reordered, so better no. PS2: However, looking around the reserves, I miss Ghiggia here because he produced one of the most iconic World Cup moments ever, he could be over Bertoni, though i can respect that he was left out for tactical decision.

Author:	Interista93 [ Wed Feb 26, 2020 7:37 pm ]
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El Capo wrote: I was about to suggest to put Bergomi over Rava and Tostão over Burruchaga, but criterias are criterias. PS: And that will mean that the formation must be offensively reordered, so better no. PS2: However, looking around the reserves, I miss Ghiggia here because he produced one of the most iconic World Cup moments ever, he could be over Bertoni, though i can respect that he was left out for tactical decision. My choices weren't exactly technical but mostly related to the number of matches played in the World Cup tournament the players won, therefore Ghiggia could replace Bertoni in the 23-men squad and Bergomi could replace Rava in the first team. About Tostão replacing Burruchaga, that could be done. The possible solutions are two AMFs and either Meazza or Pelé as CF or Busquets and Burruchaga as CMFs and Tostão as AMF. In any case I'd replace Kempes who was though really important in the 1978 World Cup with 6 goals scored.

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Author:	El Capo [ Wed Feb 26, 2020 7:43 pm ]
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You won't bench Kempes you mean?

Author:	Interista93 [ Wed Feb 26, 2020 7:46 pm ]
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El Capo wrote: You won't bench Kempes you mean? To be honest, yeah, I wouldn't. Kempes is basically the reason why I left Tostão in the bench. So what do you ultimately suggest?

Author:	StuartBannigan [ Wed Feb 26, 2020 7:48 pm ]
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The starting XI looks fine to me, I wouldn't replace Kempes since he was the best player of that tournament and the main driving force of Argentina's win. Maybe you could directly replace Burruchaga with Tostao since he could play that position anyway without any problems (at least in game, he's a better AMF than Burruchaga).

Author:	gurkenjoe93 [ Wed Feb 26, 2020 9:15 pm ]
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Can't believe that both Ghiggia and Götze who actually decided WC finals are only in reserves here.. Not even mentioning both Gallego and Batista in first team instead of Bonhof and Andrade who were both better players (not only in general but also during that WCs)..

Author:	Interista93 [ Wed Feb 26, 2020 9:31 pm ]
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gurkenjoe93 wrote: Can't believe that both Ghiggia and Götze who actually decided WC finals are only in reserves here.. Not even mentioning both Gallego and Batista in first team instead of Bonhof and Andrade who were both better players (not only in general but also during that WCs).. Ghiggia was already suggested by StuartBannigan but I forgot to add him instead of Bertoni. You know I used the criteria of appearances as regular starter then in general, trying to have at least one player per nation. I know both Bonhof and Andrade were better than Gallego and Batista. Therefore I'll make the changes. By the way, who would you replace for Götze?

Author:	gurkenjoe93 [ Wed Feb 26, 2020 10:15 pm ]
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Interista93 wrote: gurkenjoe93 wrote: Can't believe that both Ghiggia and Götze who actually decided WC finals are only in reserves here.. Not even mentioning both Gallego and Batista in first team instead of Bonhof and Andrade who were both better players (not only in general but also during that WCs).. Ghiggia was already suggested by StuartBannigan but I forgot to add him instead of Bertoni. You know I used the criteria of appearances as regular starter then in general, trying to have at least one player per nation. I know both Bonhof and Andrade were better than Gallego and Batista. Therefore I'll make the changes. By the way, who would you replace for Götze? Well difficult question: As a German I'd of course say Peters (never forget 1966 ) but after all the "problem" is that Götze wasn't an undisputed member of our WC winning team but on the other hand he scored the winning goal. So it's hard to make the right choice here.. Btw, quite interesting to see how different the careers of those players went: For some of them the WC was already the peak of their career while for others it was just the start of a long and succesful career..

Author:	El Capo [ Wed Feb 26, 2020 10:19 pm ]
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And others were relatively 'average' at best like Schürrle, Ânderson Polga, and Kléberson.

Author:	gurkenjoe93 [ Wed Feb 26, 2020 10:37 pm ]
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El Capo wrote: And others were relatively 'average' at best like Schürrle, Ânderson Polga, and Kléberson. Schürrle is a difficult case: He was mostly average at his clubs but until 2014/2015 he was excellent player at the NT, especially when coming on as a substitute. From our 2014 I'd rather mention Mustafi: Many in Germany say that his injury against Algeria was crucial for the title because after that Löw had to move Lahm back to the RB position with Schweinsteiger/Khedira/Kroos taking over the midfield. Mustafi's nomination was already quite a surprise, since he was nominated as replacement for Reus who had been injured in the last test game against Armenia and instead of nominating a forward (I'd have gone for Kevin Volland at that time), Löw came up with Mustafi

Author:	StuartBannigan [ Wed Feb 26, 2020 10:42 pm ]
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El Capo wrote: And others were relatively 'average' at best like Schürrle, Ânderson Polga, and Kléberson. Schürrle at least got the assist for a World Cup winning goal so he would be here no matter what, I think the reserves just have every player who fits the criteria though (after all, not many players have won the World Cup, much less at a young age). Anyway I don't know much about Horst Eckel but Peters is probably the most expendable player there, even if he was pretty important in 1966 I'd say that he wasn't even England's best young midfielder in that squad because Alan Ball was a better player than him.

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Author:	Interista93 [ Wed Feb 26, 2020 10:51 pm ]
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StuartBannigan wrote: El Capo wrote: And others were relatively 'average' at best like Schürrle, Ânderson Polga, and Kléberson. Schürrle at least got the assist for a World Cup winning goal so he would be here no matter what, I think the reserves just have every player who fits the criteria though (after all, not many players have won the World Cup, much less at a young age). Anyway I don't know much about Horst Eckel but Peters is probably the most expendable player there, even if he was pretty important in 1966 I'd say that he wasn't even England's best young midfielder in that squad because Alan Ball was a better player than him. Since I'd like to have all national teams represented, as already mentioned, would you rather replace Peters with Ball then?