Name: Thomas Kevin Beattie
Nickname: "Tank" | "Diamond"
Stats by Nic2711, updated by Kolektivitet



Country: England
Club: Ipswich Town
Numbers: 3 | 6
Position: ★CB, SB
Side: LF/LS
Age: 22-25 years (18/12/1953)

Height: 178 cm
Weight: 77 kg

Attack: 72
Defence: 85
Balance: 91
Stamina: 83
Top Speed: 83
Acceleration: 85
Response: 88
Agility: 75
Dribble Accuracy: 74
Dribble Speed: 74
Short Pass Accuracy: 80
Short Pass Speed: 83
Long Pass Accuracy: 78
Long Pass Speed: 81
Shot Accuracy: 69
Shot Power: 94
Shot Technique: 64
Free Kick Accuracy: 67
Curling: 64
Header: 88
Jump: 92
Technique: 76
Aggression: 76
Mentality: 86
Keeper Skills: 50
Team Work: 78

Injury Tolerance: C
Condition/Fitness: 5
Weak Foot Accuracy: 3
Weak Foot Frequency: 4
Consistency: 5
Growth Type: Early/Peak

SPECIAL ABILITIES:  
★Marking
★Sliding
★Covering

CARDS:
S07 - Man Marking
S08 - Slide Tackle
S09 - Covering

Attack / Defence Awareness Card: Defence-Minded

I was always under impression that he deserves even a 90 jumping ability. He had a heavenly jump and header (one of the strongest i've seen from the 70s, together with Dave Watson), extremely strong shot with left, strong physique and speed. Decent on the ball. Always fighting for the ball as bravely as a bull. He prided himself on his ability to skilfully support his team's attacks, which is why many experts believe that he could have been used more in midfield. However, he preferred to grind the opposing forwards as a member of the defensive line, occasionally filling in at left-back.

I would need to revisit some of the videos and texts for other stats, but besides jump, i remember his strong shot as well, which i think deserves 85 at least. He was really a force of nature for the time, and perhaps even deserves 2-3 points up in ATT, as i recall a lot of his runs forward. I guess his injury tolerance can go to C and growth type is Early/Peak, as the injuries started in 1977. He even earned comparisons with Duncan Edwards, but injuries destroyed his career.

Bobby Robson even described him as "the best English-born player he has ever seen". Beattie has only played nine matches in the national jersey. Such a sad fact was later reflected in Bobby Robson. "Nine starts? He should have won 99 of them, damn, he should have been the most frequently represented Englishman of all time."

Billy Bonds (former West Ham star) once described him as the John Terry of that time, only in his words more powerful.

Nickname: "Tank" | "Diamond"

Moved this thread and also Cooper into your section + gave you command, then you can finally update those sets. IMO ATT has to be on 72 at least, also passing should be higher. As you already wrote, this guy was one of the most talented CBs to ever play in English football and only injuries prevented him from having the big career that he should have had.

I'm happy to see that we've started moving other people's topics arbitrarily without even asking the main creator's permission. The best part is that you're the same person who created the hidden sections; you're ridiculous.

You were inactive for months here and didn't even update this set when Kolektivitet gave you suggestions. So yeah, I have no problem to "arbitrarily" move sets without asking you
And I didn't even create the hidden section, I just posted my sets there lol.

But who exactly do you think you are to move my sets to other people's sections just because, in your opinion, they're making suggestions I'm obligated to consider? There are hundreds of players on the forum who need updates, but that doesn't mean their creators should feel obligated to accept them, just as you are free to choose whether or not to put some of your creations in the hidden section. Therefore, I urge you to immediately put the post back in my section, since I am its creator; otherwise, I will be forced to delete every post from my section.

Come on don´t argue, just give his name at credits. This is already an smal community

I think you've chosen some very interesting players to work on, it's good to see that stuff.

However, I'm a bit concerned that you haven't really had a thorough look at some of the players you've done, as it seems to me they're just copied from the old Pes Stats database & archives. I've noticed that the values are just moved a couple of points up or down, while others are identical.

I've seen that for Cottee, Rob Lee and even now for Beattie and Cooper. Look, if you've watched the videos of their play and you are definite with the values, i don't care about taking over these two sets. You can leave them to Nic @gurkenjoe93 (Especially Cooper, i haven't paid attention to him much (i just know that he had much higher SP, great clearance of the ball and reach; also a great PK saver)


In any way, my suggestion is to shorten the set to 1975-1978, since he was highly irregular after the knee injury in 1977.

I wouldn't say his passing was elite. It relied more on power. Definitely not a better passer technically than Russell Osman. Although his SPA>LPA (80/78); SPS & LPS in 80s (SPS>LPS); i didn't see a lot of his crosses, mostly balls from the back in the middle (as a LB)
Fine technique, but not a very good dribbler. He was speedy and would storm up front like a bull but often lose the ball. DA maybe in 74-76 range and TEC 79-80
He was not so agile, nor did he have such high DS. I would put them both at 74-76
Very low use of right leg (which also Bobby Robson pointed out); 4,4
He was a secondary free kick taker, except when launching the balls from the back; I would put it at 66-68
Lower TMW (in higher 70s)

On the other hand, he was incredibly strong, he would hit a guy in the air and land normally, i almost didn't see him fall at all. I would put him at orange BAL in any case.
His speed was excellent, but acceleration even better. Unusually quick for his stature. He held grounds with Suurbier in a run, and caught the quick Moinhos from Portugal. My suggestion is SPE 83; ACC 85
His SP was terrific, and definitely worth almost a red value (maybe 93-95); really a rocket, but CUR definitely in the 60s (65-67)
Not to mention his jumping (in any case JUM>HEA). I would go with orange JUM and HEA in the 86-88 range

Defensively he had a lot of sweeping in the back and takes in direct duels. If he was beaten, he would catch the players and get a recovery tackle so easily.

Regarding SA and ST; i would switch ST and SA; he scored 6,4,5,0 from 1975-1978 respectively; Same with passing, his shots were not so technical but rather powerful. He also scored goals from penalties. SA at 69/70; ST at 64/65

I mean, with all these values he's still overpowered, like a 88-90 Overall CB/LB. Don't really know what to say
But he really is a complete footballer, as they said

Hi, I'm sorry I don't have the same amount of time as you or others to watch matches to create players. Furthermore, I'm pretty sure every creator here has a different perception of how to create a set, so I'm not entirely comfortable with the idea of standardizing everything. Besides not having much time to watch entire matches to create sets, I'm really discouraged by the fact that my sets are no longer linked to the All-Star team pages because, according to the person who responded above, if the sets aren't the way he wants them, they shouldn't be linked to the pages. Unfortunately, some people here have a very private view of a free forum; it feels like we're stuck on the internet in the early 2000s. That said, any suggestions are welcome, but you can't force a user to make changes and then steal their post.

Of course no one here pretends that everyone has enough free time to watch a dozen games within a bunch of days. And while we try to create a formula that can be applied to every set, that's difficult to do. At the end, there's not really a standard here. I can tell, from my personal experience, that some of my sets keep getting debated for one reason or another, and that's totally fine. It's alright to have different opinions.
The thing about unlinking players in a team, is mostly due to avoid confusion. It has happened in the past that sets were deleted from Stats Practice for various reasons. In this case, some teams may still have players linked but to threads that don't exist anymore. And so, you understandbly get comments from users who can't find those sets.

You seem to have a lot of time to cry in this thread instead of responding to arguments/answers by people who actually watched matches and therefore de facto know the player better than you


Watching full games if available has nothing to do with "standardizing everything", it' simply the most accurate way to make a set. If there is footage where you can watch the player, then it should be used.


Another pathetic lie, I have exactly nothing to do with linking or not linking your sets, that's something that the creator of the AS team is responsible for. But as you say it: If the set is the result of not watching full games (although available), then the set can't be accurate. It has nothing to with the way how I or any other mod/admins wants them - and just for you - we kept those sets anyway, on other PES classic forums those threads would have been deleted for sure..


You didnt even show the respect to reply to Kollektivet's suggestions (that were backed up with arguments) for over a year. Don't come up with "Suggestions are welcome" when you do the opposite. I even checked your profile before changing command and you were online for the last time in August. So don't cry about "stealing" when you could have easily prevented all of that by beeing active here instead of considering your work as unchangeable.

Yes, I don't have time right now to watch matches to make sets. I'm only replying because I need to figure out if it makes sense for me to spend my time on a forum where other people's content is moved around arbitrarily. Also, I wasn't lying: months ago, I received a PM from you in which, in a section I don't have access to, you specifically asked the administrators not to link All Stars players to my sets, because you claimed I didn't know how to create them. Apparently, you found it difficult to PM me to tell me exactly what was wrong, and you thought it best to put someone else in front. Congrats, that's a good approach. Last but not least, I think someone who goes to watch my latest logs is taking it a bit too personally. This is a free forum, so deal with it.

What's personally about that? Kolektivitet started posting Ipswich Town players and since you didn't care to update your sets in the past, it was a good moment to get proper sets for them. Your last post was eigth months ago, so I checked your profile to see if you were still active or not - apparently it would have been better to just move the sets.
About the linking: I actually forgot about that one (since it over was a year ago) but your replies only prove that I was right. You don't watch games, you don't even dare to take suggestions on your sets. Your reaction here only shows that you actually know about the "quality" of your work that but instead you're acting like some victim of injustice. But as you already pointed out: This is a free forum - and in this forum we take the freedom to update stats by inactive users.

I've known PesMiti for four years and have always thought it has incredible potential. However, it will never be fully exploited if you continue with this privatized mentality, where you even hide player sets as if they were some kind of confidential information. With all these players, it's absurd that a patch has never been developed, and I think it would be fantastic, but I'm sorry you have such an archaic and out-of-touch view of the internet. At least try to heed this advice: make sure everyone's work and contributions are preserved, because with the powerful tools available today, it takes very little to find a cloned site that's a hundred times better in certain respects. Thanks and goodbye.

It’s nothing personal, but after suggestions were given and a whole year has passed, with no response, then we can’t just sit around and wait forever for the stats to be updated. There was nothing to suggest you would ever make any more updates to these stats. So it’s pointless to prevent others from ever working on these stats because you did once and then never went back to them. And actually we’re much more lenient than other sites with regards to crediting and updating players. I believe PCS for example would have given you one month to standardise your stats or they would be deleted.