He nearly walked the entire game.... so STA has to be slower... i have it on 70... but it can be on 75 if you want him to keep him with color... but TS had to be more slower something like 71-73 will fit him

Yeah. He was very static, but he did running whenever he needs to chase the ball, and for most of time, South American League matches are rather slow in pacing. I think 74-76 is the best value for him.
For TS, when he runs, he's still reasonably fast whenever he chase a loose ball, so current value is still reasonable. Although we may lowered it to 73. Agility is the one that's vastly overrated. It should be on middle green value, at least.
Also, do you think he needs slightly higher SPS & LPS? He seems to put more weight in his passing than current value suggested, and compared to other players with similar passing speed, his passes look more powerful to me.

No pal.... Current passing speed is good enough

Physical stats are somehow too high for what i've seem from him.... I used Valderrama with this:


Bal: 85 (He was something like Riquelme in this aspect)

STA: 70 (it doesn't need explanation)

TS: 72 (same as STA)

DA: 91-92 (I think he deserve more... he often dribbled opponents without a problem)

DS: 74 ( HELL, This guy was too slow)

SA: 75 & ST: 77 (He scored some wonderful goals during those years)

If there aren't other suggestions about changes proposed by MagicDip I'll update first set.

Well, yeah. Maybe his SPA is give him better range than people with similar passing speed.
I agree he was very slow. But your STA suggestion seems too harsh. 70 made him sit around later year Socrates who was a heavy smoker and older than him. And from what i see, Valderrama definitely has better fitness in him. But i still think that 72 is acceptable since he really not run that much. Aside from that, i agree with all your suggestions.
Btw, we can't have him sit at 85 on agility when he's really that slow. I'm thinking about 74-75 for it.

Well, I don't remember suggesting anything yet on El Pibe

PS: I have him on BB: 89, he was very strong on challenges and using his body as a shield on ball conservation.
STA, I have him at 78
On the other hand, TS: 68 (he walked), ACC: 72 , DS: 70 , AGI: 75
I have him on much higher ATT as well: 84

That's all I can say right now, haven't watched him for a while...

Platini also walked entire game but nobody is complaining there

BTW did you see and how often Pirlo sprinting....


I don't think this thread needs any changes, except of lower AGI...

Speed stats are fine just the topic era should be 1988-1990..

Sorry I have confused El Capo and you

Yeah... i use Pirlo's 2006 & 2012 sets with both DS & TS on white while STA in 2012 on 76




Yeah it should be from 1988-1990.... then in a future we can think on 2 further sets for him...

So which number he should have for AGI ?

75 for AGI

Changed era 1990-1994 -> 1988-1990

AGI 85 to 75.

You forgot the years

Fixed.