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I do not what you see, but was shoulder to shoulder (something allowed), and a defender have to go with determination.

Peru's penalty was an obvious hand...

From the laws of the game. The ball was clearly not within playing distance, in fact the Peruvian goalkeeper was getting to it before either Everton or Zambrano was. It was an unnecessary tackle and a clear penalty, stupid by Zambrano.

Silva's handball, well this is in the laws of the game as cases which aren't counted as handball:

That seems to me like Silva was putting his arm to the ground to support himself...
Under the old rules it would never have been given, only under these new, far too harsh rules would it even be considered as a possible penalty.

1.- How do you measure the playing distance?? If the distance was the same fot both??? and it wasn`t careless, reckless or using excessive force by Zambrano

2.- That arm was unnecesary extended and make the body bigger.

But I admit is subjetive and Brazil is the best team by far, that is clear to everyone

Well Zambrano wasn't going to reach the ball, that's why it wasn't within playing distance. It was just the same as a tactical foul on the halfway line, pretty obvious foul. You can't just bash into people when the ball is miles away, you can only use shoulder to shoulder when you're actually trying to win the ball. He even changes direction to charge into Everton instead of chasing the ball...




How was it unnecessary? Everyone slides like that, because if he doesn't he'll smack his ahead against the ground. He shouldn't have to risk a head injury just to avoid giving away a penalty. I hate this "unnatural position" bullshit, it completely ignores the fact that people physically can't move around the pitch with their arms behind their back. All you have to do is aim for the opponent's arms and you'll get a free goal now, the rules are ridiculous...

1.- Well the ball was 5 meters in front, so it could be reach it by anyone I mean given it wasn't in the feets of anyone it was a 1 on 1 situation and it wasn't a push, it was shoulder to shoulder, this is football not basket.

2.- When defenders goes down they know his arm will extend his body and FIFA say the same.


This will be an endless discution so there is no case to continue. greetings.

Perú really disappointed me for not going for the kill, after GJ was sent off until the penalty committed by Zambrano, they literally wasted 15 minutes trying to getting out their own half by a 10 men Brazil... I don't know if they couldn't believe that they only needed to put pressure on Brazil to force a draw or simply was fatigue that stopped any serious attack from the Peruvian squad after Gabriel Jesus was sent off.

Well Tite had responsability on that too.

Barça certainly loves French players as much as Dutch ones.

KONAMI decided to add in PES 2020 Tight Possession (instead of agility I guess), and to add again Acceleration and Aggression (which has the exact meaning of aggression I guess and doesn't refer to attack anymore). They also changed the order of the stats as well as some names. KONAMI is really weird.

Considering this, it's interesting to see that Godín certainly will be a beast in PES 2020:
https://www.pesmaster.com/d-godin/pes-2 ... yer/34475/
But I doubt that I'll actually buy the game, after PES 2013 Konami totally ruined the series..

I agree. They changed way too many things, for example trying to copy FIFA about the stats in my opinion, ruining the game as you said.

The ironic thing about those changes is that some of them were even quite good (for example adding second divisions) but on the other hand they fucked up the stats system (okay, that already started in PES 2012 but from 2014 it became certainly worse), the face editor and of course, the gameplay itself.

Which game would you guys recommend for the best mix of gameplay and editing ability? I've been playing both PES6 and 2019, the new stat system doesn't translate very well but it has so many more teams, whereas PES6 is probably more fun to play and feels more natural with the editing but has hardly any teams. Is there a game that has the old stats system and decent gameplay but quite a lot of teams too? If only it was possible to add more leagues into the game...

In case of gameplay, always go for PES 6.
In case you mainly want leagues + old stats system, what about PES 2011? It's the last one to feature the complete old stats system (since in PES 2012 & 2013 some stats like Aggression, Acceleration and Shot Technique were removed). Can't speak for the editing possibilites though although I think it will be similar to PES 2013 although I don't know how much face formulas you'll find for the game.
I personally liked PES 2013, mainly thanks to the good kit editor (peda69 made a lot of excellent classic kits back then + I also made many for my file) and M Ace's great faces from his(unfortunately never completed) classic file for the game:

I can only speak for myself but for me those faces and those from other great face editors (for example Ratmundo, maquiavelo or Antonyc1977) came very close to the original players itself (something that I've not seen in the new editor for example).

I work on PES 2017 trying to make a personal patch. I firstly tried with PES 2013 because it's probably the best game since PES 6 but I wasn't able to edit it properly plus the South American clubs were apparently uneditable. So I opted for PES 2017 and I honestly find it quite comfortable.