I'd like to share what I believe would potentially be the best lists for a PES with only classic all star teams. The following lists will also provide an overall view of squads that are currently missing an all stars team in the forum. The teams highlighted in blue already have a thread.

● The criteria used for clubs, sorted by weight, are as following:
- main continental competition wins
- domestic league wins
- other major continental competition wins
- times as runner-up in the main continental competition (semifinals and quarter-finals are also considered for teams in the "Rest of" groups)
- times as domestic league runner-up
- Intercontinental Cup/Club World Cup wins
- least valuable continental competition wins (ex. Fairs Cup, Conference League, CONCACAF League, AFC Cup, etc.)
- times as runner-up in any secondary continental competition
- times as third place in the domestic league
- domestic cup wins
- times as Intercontinental Cup/Club World Cup runner-up
- times as runner-up in the least valuable continental competition (semifinals are also considered for teams in the "Rest of" groups)
- times as runner-up in any domestic cup
- Campeonato Paulista, Campeonato Carioca and Torneio Rio-São Paulo (for Brazilian teams)
- any Supercup wins
- other state league titles (for Brazilian teams)
- participations in the domestic league (continental tournaments are considered for teams in the "Rest of" groups).

● The criteria used for national teams, sorted by weight, are as following:
- World Cup wins
- main continental competition wins (minor weight for OFC Oceania Cup)
- times as World Cup runner-up
- times as runner-up in the main continental competition
- other major competition wins (the editions of the Olympic Games taken into account are 1910-1964 and 1984-1988)
- times as World Cup semifinalist
- times as runner-up in other major competitions
- times as World Cup quarter-finalist
- times as semifinalist in the major continental competition
- participations in the World Cup
- least valuable competitions wins (OFC Nations Cup, FIFA Arab Cup, AFC Challenge Cup)
- times as quarter finalist in the major continental competition
- participations in the major continental competition
- times as semifinalist in other major competitions
- times as runner-up in the least valuable competitions
- best ever final place in major competitions (when two or more teams have the same points)
- highest ever FIFA rank (when the previous requirement isn't met).

Champions League winning teams or World Cup winning national teams, for example, aren't automatically placed higher than teams without such accomplishments as everything is considered.

● Most editions of PES have different leagues and the leagues don't always have the same number of teams. For example German Bundesliga was last featured in PES 6, second divisions were first added in PES 2015, Italian Serie B had 22 teams until 2017-18 and then 20 since 2019-20, and so on. Therefore, I include teams for every league that was featured in-game since PES 5 and up to PES 2021.

● Considering the first two points, the teams are sorted in a "meritocratic" order. Between the brackets next to the league's name are the minimum and maximum numbers of teams ever available in PES for that specific league.


Down below is a map of the number of teams for each league from PES 5 to PES 2021 (it should be correct). Feel free to give suggestions to change teams or the order and explain the reason.






Pro League (up to 18)



Superligæn (up to 14) or DDR-Oberliga (14)



Premier League (20) + Championship (24)



Ligue 1 (20) + Ligue 2 (20)



Bundesliga (18)



Serie A (20) + Serie B (up to 22)



Eredivisie (18)



Liga Portugal (up to 18)



Premiership (12)



LaLiga (20) + Segunda División (22)



Super League (10) or Bundesliga (10)



Süper Lig (18) or Prva Savezna Liga (18)



Top League (16) [in place of Russian Premier Liga]



Rest of Europe (up to 56)



CAF Champions League (16 as in the group stage)



Primera División (up to 30)



Série A (20) + Série B (20)



Primera División (up to 18)



Categoría Primera A (up to 20)



Rest of South America (up to 85) [38 for Copa Libertadores and 47 for Copa Sudamericana]



North American Teams



A-League (16) [in place of Thai League]



Super League (16)



J1 League (18)



Rest of Asia (up to 36) [32 for AFC Champions League and the others for Other Teams (Asia)]



Europe National Teams (up to 55)



Africa National Teams (up to 14)



North and Central America National Teams (up to 6)



South America National Teams (up to 10)



Asia and Oceania National Teams (up to 17)

That is a very interesting post. I also have serie A and B for Brazilian Championship and our choices are very similar, only 2 or 3 different choicer per tier.

Note that we dont have Paraná AS created so far. We can do it though. It would be easy as Paraná is a new team, created by the unificantion of two clubs (Colorado and Pinheiros).

I also notice you dont have Dinamo Gradanski listed. Did you merge it with Dinamo Zagreb as I did?

Thanks mate! You're right about Paraná. I highlighted the name by mistake.

Yes, Dinamo Zagreb includes Dinamo Građanski and Croatia Zagreb.

Cool!

Well, since you mentioned that: "Feel free to give suggestions to change teams or the order and explain the reason."

I have some ideas but of course I would need to see the competitions you take into consideration first. For example, did you considered Torneio dos Campeoes won by America RJ in 1982?

Also, you probably considered Taça Brasil as national league, what about rebuild it considering it as a national cup (what it actually was).

You probably didnt count with state leagues at all but how did you weight old decades clubs? It was our most important competition. (Brazil is a continental country and we didnt have structure for travelling at old decades, the roads for the inner country started later decades, that is another important reason for Taça Brasil be a cup, not a championship).

One more thing, I didnt see regional competitions, so you are probably not counting with torneio rio-sao paulo, right? Also, for the northest clubs northest competition is a must.

Well, I believe I already told it here but Brazil football history is really peculiar and you cant do the same as some people do trying to fit it in European standards. Otherwise you end up changing history as it is already being done nowadays and we are losing our old memory.

Anyway, feel free to debate it if you wish.

In the first version I didn't consider the Torneio dos Campeões nor the regional tournaments and I considered the Taça Brasil as a championship. Of course, following your suggestions the Taça Brasil titles from 1958 to 1969 have now a minor weight compared to the following Brazilian championships. I also gave more importance to the state leagues prior to 1969, so before Taça Brasil was replaced by the Torneio Roberto Gomes Pedrosa.

So, I made an update considering more regional and inter-regional competitions. At first glance Paysandu and Fortaleza may look out of place in the top league but they've been two powerhouse teams in their respective state league and cup for many years.

I know what you are saying but they werent exactly playing in a strong state league.

For example, at past days we had a Brazilian Championship that was played with the All Stars players of each state. That was our truely first Brazilian Championship, eventhough not making sense for us nowadays, that was played for real and was very important that time.

Of course it was forgotten because noone support those teams nowadays. Someone from Rio de Janeiro, support a local team not the all stars of his state that not even exists anymore.

Anyway, if you wanna do a very minuscious job regarding that you can take into account State Brazilian Championship positions and you can give the proper state championships weights.

For example, Rio de Janeiro was 15x champion, Sao Paulo 13x, Minas Gerais and Bahia 1x and you can check the runners up and so on.

Anyway, it is a hard job I would say. It is too much. That's why my choices are more intuitive than ranked.

I thought about this. As I said, those two teams don't look like they fit in the top league with Brazilian giants. I'm going to PM you about this matter.

I'd like an opinion. Would you consider PES 2021 as last title to use for a classic mod? My question is due to the fact that since PES 2022 Konami has based its game on season updates. I can't say anything for sure because I haven't had the chance to play any of the most recent titles, but I have the feeling that the newest titles are hard to mod due to the constant updates. Furthermore, PES 2021 is the last title that features the fake leagues for Europe, South America, Asia and Africa.

I have created classic files until 2016 with Pes6 club/national era teams, I'm not expert in new generations files and I'm too old and lazy to learn it, too much complicated for me to work on single teams, I was confortable with ps2 games using Pes editors on pc and move files to ps2 with max drive.

For what I have heard, last titles are only for online play, so I'd stop with pes21 (last title I have played).

About teams: actually I wouldn't care about leagues made by Konami, I don't care about Denmark league for example so I'd change it with a more interesting league since the are a lot of rest of Europe teams, but I know there is the problem of licensed teams that can't be changed.
Surely Honvéd should be in the game.

This is exactly what I think. PES 2021 is the last editable one and that's a big help because there are no American and Japanese leagues. So, no need to list very old and useless teams.



I've remembered that some PES titles actually have more than 38 slots for European teams. PES 2016, for example, has 20 real teams plus 29 fake ones and 2 more fake ones to take from the PEU League in case you replace it with an 18-team Bundesliga. It's true that some PES titles have teams hidden in Master League but those can be unlocked via editing tools. And when it comes to licensed leagues like the Danish one, those can be edited too except for the number of teams, so you should replace it with a league that has the same number of teams if you want to make it as realistic as possible.

Thread updated. I also added a map that shows the number of teams in each PES. Hopefully it can help you choose faster what teams to create depending on the version of PES you play.

P.S. Since 27DONI72 mentioned the fact that he created classic files with era teams, I want to say that this list probably works for era teams too. I believe all these teams had at least one remarkable era in their history. Taking Italy as example, maybe Casale would be a challenge given that they peaked in one specific year, but this team can be easily replaced by Avellino which is listed as alternative for the all stars version.

My option file was created only for 1vs1 against my real life friends not for in game Cup, leagues, etc.

In Pes6 I overwrited every single club and national teams with classic era teams so biggest teams had various era for example Milan Gre-No-Li, Milan Schiaffino, Milan Rocco 1, Milan Rocco 2, Milan 78-79, Milan Sacchi, etc.
IMHO your idea is perfect for all stars teams, impossible to do with era teams.

Added DDR-Oberliga, Austrian Bundesliga and Yugoslav Prva Liga as alternatives to Superligæn, Swiss Super League and Turkish Süper Lig respectively.

I've been reworking these lists with better criteria that satisfy me more as the results seem more complete and realistic. So I was thinking whether it would be more interesting to post these lists in the Football History section instead of here. This way I'll post more of them compared to what's here in case you want an idea for more countries. The first post will serve as index to have a better organised thread.

Moved in Football history section. Great job.